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Showing posts with label Postmodernism. Show all posts

Monday, 8 October 2018

I'm back, baby! Did you miss me?

I'm back, so here's why I think I was gone in case you cared.. and also here are some typically rambling thoughts on matters related to the recent 'Sokal Squared' thing

Just had to update my blog for the sake of all the weird girls who stalk me. As to why I've had (by my standards) a massive break in posting, I can identify the following factors: 'external': getting into cricket again, being a little socially busier, spending a lot of time writing a long and well-researched essay on the future of the planet for a writing competition on which I'll soon get feedback (meaning I can post this essay here), and, a little more recently, obsessively playing the classical guitar, after not playing at all for nearly four years straight (and I mean obsessively); 'internal': being extremely happy and mentally relaxed (connected: being socially busier than I was), reaching a tipping point of general disgust with the amount of dogmatic and dimwitted intellectual pollution on the internet and not wanting to contribute to it with a non-excellent, non-cogent post. I've thought for a while I need to write something at some point on the early history of mathematics (in particular, how long it took 'us' to develop the notation that makes 'simple' maths so much easier) and what it tells one about the Flynn Effect, about the role of cognition-externalisation, the importance of language and notation to thought, and on the secret theory-ladenness of many things we forget are theory-laden. I think I will do this eventually. I also keep wondering if I should write reviews of things, like the books and movies I've enjoyed recently (or even not so recently), because that might be fun. The reason I didn't do that in the past with books is because I had this major pathological aversion to summarising things that I read and liked, because I realised that summary always costs nuance and information that the author included for a reason - usually, I feel like almost nothing is indispensable in books I like, so I prefer to quote chapters out of whole cloth. But maybe I should start reviewing. On the other hand, I have this disposition against which I think is a perverse manifestation of the 'sunk-cost' fallacy: my brain secretes this weird thought like, It would be wrong to start reviewing things now, because that's not your thing; you could have reviewed books and movies that you liked years ago but you didn't so you can't just go back on that now.
Anyway, I did have something non-narcissistic to say, induced by the "Sokal Squared" Hoax that just happened. I'm not really going to comment on the Hoax per se (on the ethics or intellectual 'validity' of it, or on the perpetrators (the truth is I don't actually have a strong opinion on, like, the ethics of the Hoax - I think Boghossian and Lindsay seem like massive wankers but whatever)), but I wanted to say something  on related matters.

Sturgeon's Law tells us that most of academia is total bullshit (what I mean is: that should be our default assumption). Most research, even in the harder sciences, goes absolutely nowhere, retreads old ground in a pointless way, or is unrigorous (I hesitate to write disjunctions like these, because one is wont to miss disjuncts (there are probably more failure modes)). Arguably, fundamental physics - that most reverent of scientific disciplines - has been little different from metaphysics for the last several decades (see Sabine Hossenfender's controversial new book (which I haven't actually read, I should admit, though I have read her blogposts, on her blogpost blog)). And, obviously, macroeconomics has some well-known issues with predicting shit, medical science has some serious issues with publication bias and corporate influence, and social scientists are, for the most part, fucking useless idiots who need to increase their n and stop p-hacking shit. (I could link to relevant articles but I'm happy to assume that the kind of people who read my blog are big intellectual playas who have already read such articles).
But in my humble opinion, if there's one kind of area of academia that's worse than all the others, it's specifically the unrigorous part of academia which is also completely obscurantist - the academia of long sentences and pollysyllabic verbiage (or, alternatively, as one can see, for example, in some parts of economics and probably some other disciplines, the academia of obscurantist mathematics - glyphs and runes included to dazzle rather than to give a rigorous structure to a problem). One commonly used shorthand for obscurantist academia is "Postmodern" academia. Whilst I don't really think it poses much of a problem for this term that Postmodern academics themselves think it's painfully simplistic and bigoted to use one term to encompass several decades of evolving scholarship (because I don't give a shit about obscurantist scholarship), I already implied in the preceding parenthetical interjection that there is one problem with using this term as a shorthand: namely, that obscurantist academia is bigger than the parts of academia where words/phrases like "Marx", "Foucault", "Derrida", "Barthes", "Kristeva", "Lacan", "Bourdieu", "Butler", "theory", "hermeneutics", "problematics", "hegemony", "towards a", "beyond the", "territorialisation", "post-structuralist", "meta-textual", and so on, are highly frequent, and an extraordinary degree of prolixity is commonplace (see Postmodernism Generator)
To be sure, Postmodern academia is definitely a major bastion of such obscurantism and it's probably deserved some of the specific critiques it has gotten (like these two I have linked before; http://faculty.georgetown.edu/irvinem/theory/Nussbaum-Butler-Critique-NR-2-99.pdf, http://bactra.org/chomsky-on-postmodernism.html). Postmodern academia is the area to which the "X studies" fields (the main target of the Hoax) largely belong, along with English literature and (to a lesser extent) sociology and history (I am sure there are some gender, race-studies and English literature academics who are not so into abstruse verbiage and the French theoreticians who perfected it to an artform but prefer to write clearly (which does not necessarily mean their scholarship has merit, but I'm sure some of it is interesting and incisive and cogent and all those other nice things)). 
However, one issue with the critique of Postmodernism that fails to link Postmodern writing with obscurantism generally is that it gives Postmodern critiques an opening to say either "You just don't understand our technical language and theoretical constructs" or "You just don't like our political conclusions". This is shitty, because, in my opinion, the important thing to point out is that Postmodern obscurantism is not really any different, from an epistemological perspective, from any other kind of obscurantism, e.g. religious obscurantism, the 'deepities' of pop-philosophy and self-help books, bureaucratese, Fascist mysticism, or the obscurantism of so much of the 'canon of philosophy' going back centuries (the part that one of a crude bent of mind might classify as "counter-Enlightenment" (e.g. the whole German Idealism thing)). It's not different, from an epistemological perspective, because it's all equally vague, non-naturalistic BS, or, as I prefer to say, bad poetry. As Chomsky points out, the difference between mathematics being used properly as part of a rigorous scientific theory and polysyllables being used in a prolix sentence is that mathematics, used properly, can allow one to give a rigorous testable structure to theories and to find precise solutions to very difficult problems that one couldn't even approach without the language (think of the analytic power and beauty of a matrix (or just think of trying to do physics problems without maths lmao)). But when you decode a typical sentence of Latinate polysyllables in the works of Derrida, Lacan or Butler, it turns out either to be a thought expressible more simply or just pure gobbledegook. 
Why can't truth be found in long, turgid sentences populated with esoteric Latinate words? Well, for one thing, humans are really bad at even parsing long sentences from a memory point of view. (So, just as a kind of abstract theoretical point, supposing you did have something really deep to say, don't you think you'd want to make more of an effort?) For another thing, fuzzy words almost necessarily mean fuzzy thought and they definitely mean ambiguity; hence why a key development of the Enlightenment was this thing called a technical term (a term you explicitly define in the context of some kind of rigorous, self-contained usually mathematical framework). More to the point, I agree with the meta-philosophy and largely with the metaphysic explicated in Ladyman and Ross' magnum opus, Every Thing Must Go. I think that philosophers and theoreticians who don't practise metaphysics in the Quinean fashion, as simply a process of making rigorous the ontological commitments of our best scientific theories, are "neo-scholastics" talking nonsense for no humanly important end. Basically, the long and short of it is that science is hard, naturalistic metaphysics has to be a very humble enterprise which pays due fealty to science, and all scholarship which talks about matters of reality and existence without a serious connection to relevant scientific inquiry is BS.
Yes, ok, I admit it, I'm a "neo-positivist" (which is very different from "logical postivism", per se, because literally everyone agrees that that is a faulty doctrine for various, largely esoteric reasons I will not get into). Which, in truth, means I can't win with Pomo people, because if the other rebuttals don't stick, "Positivist" is the one they are bound to hurl. I mean, I should clarify that I don't actually like the label "neo-positivist", even though some people with similar views to mine call themselves that. What I prefer to call myself is a "neo-pragmatist structural realist", where "pragmatist" here refers to a pragmatist attitude to metaphysics, which says that we should avoid the idea that we can actually do metaphysics 'properly' and instead just accept that we should call real whatever is a projectible phenomenon or cluster of phenomena in the fully mind-independent world (a phenomenon whose postulation allows us to make systematic predictions that help us achieve goals in our navigation in the world as organisms), most of which phenomena just have to be 'read off' scientific theories, with fundamental physics taking priority simply because of its generality (see the book Every Thing Must Go(2007) for more). Basically, this means that I think a whole lot of analytic philosophy is useless, along with virtually all of Continental philosophy and X studies stuff. (Basically, what it means in practice is that when anyone ever tries to sound profound using fancy words, my reaction is "That's some nice poetry". Writing, to me, falls into one of the following categories: poetry, prose (as in prose fiction), science, failed science, or naturalistic philosophy.)
Now, I've been reading some history books lately, and I want to make clear: this is not to imply that, like, history is a waste of time if you're not going full Peter Turchin or some shit. Archival research and analysis would be necessary even for a hypothetical fully rigorous, scientific discipline of historical inquiry, and, in any case, narrativistic history is definitely at least partly distinct from mere story-telling (I don't know if Hayden White literally thought there was no difference at all, but he's definitely wrong if so; in fact, I would go so far as to say that there's a fact of the matter as to whether Inga Clendinnen's interpretation of the spearing of Arthur Phillip at Manly is more correct or scientific than the interpretation given by the English sources on which she relies (i.e. I don't take a super radical view on the epistemological constraints of conventional narrativistic historical inquiry, though I'm also no Geoffrey Elton)).
Now, I admit that much of what I just said, especially when I started using fancy analytic-philosophy terms, would be obscure, especially to people who don't know shit about philosophy, but in my defence, what I'm really doing is saying go read Every Thing Must Go to see why I think what I do. So go do that if you really care. Otherwise, fuck off.

Friday, 17 November 2017

Civility, Non-Argument

https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/930459427353890816

Jesse is correct.

As people like Scott Atran note, tribalism leads to moral crimes, even though it is (almost?) always mixed with righteousness and the conviction that one's side is incapable of moral crimes.
One of the things that has been really brought home to me over the last year is that it is a good idea to constantly check one's personal righteousness, no matter how good one thinks one is.
...Unfortunately, this advice is not likely to be heeded by many internet Leftists, since sequestering oneself away in communities packed full of moral grandstanders constantly striving for the most ultra-leftist signal does not really conduce to moral self-criticism!

Anyway, on a related note, remember that Sam Kriss guy? He was actually a real asshole on Twitter, and in general (I promise you I'm not suffering from hindsight bias, I had these views before). I mean, I guess he was not much more of an asshole than a lot of people on Twitter, but the reason I say it is this: people who criticised him on Twitter were routinely publicly insulted in colourful ways to entertain his enraptured sycophantic fans, and on more than occasion, a detractor with an unflattering photo was given the treatment of having an enlarged image of them posted by Sam accompanied by a caption in which he brutally insulted their appearance (a specific incident stuck in my mind where he tweeted the photo of some right-wing incel-type with a really severely blotchy face and said he looked like "mouldy bread" (I felt really, really sorry for the guy; I find it personally very troubling that this kind of bullying is tolerated amongst people who are supposedly meant to be caring and compassionate (medical problems seem to be fodder for humour among some Twitter leftists, which is also troubling to me))). Meanwhile, on his blog, he said some thoroughly nasty things in longer form about a bunch of people. Last year, he went after Nick Cohen pretty viciously. Funnily enough, I also strongly dislike Cohen and think he's not very good at thinking or writing (and when Kriss' piece on Cohen was originally published, I should say that I couldn't help finding it funny and nodding in agreement). Nevertheless, I am capable of recognising that he really did not deserve the vitriol and no doubt only felt his convictions about the loony left grow stronger as a result.
Of course, Kriss was not only an asshole, but also a highly irrational person, as I noted in a previous post that happens to be (last time I checked) the most viewed on my blog ever (http://writingsoftclaitken.blogspot.com/2016/11/exhibit-exhibit-b-two-mysticist-counter.html). Worse, he was often most irrational when he was at his most horrible. For instance, in his infamous piece on Neil deGrasse Tyson, he castigates Tyson for spoiling the fun of life by constantly stating obvious facts that everybody knows... thereby betraying his total disconnect from the vast majority of humanity and making his extreme populist politics seem more laughable. (Sam, if you talk to ordinary people, you actually realise that they don't know basic scientific facts---which, incidentally, helps explain why not everyone does think that Neil deGrasse Tyson is an annoying pedant! A curious fact, isn't it, how these posh Marxist extreme-populists are so pretentious and elitist (anti-populist) in terms of how they express themselves (the absurd neologistic cant of the pseudo-intellectual charlatan academic Left) and what they talk about and even what they do (go to fancy restaurants and the theatre)---as Chomsky noted in his tremendously fun takedown of the entire postmodern Left from the 90s (http://www.mrbauld.com/chomsky1.html). It's almost like the more extreme the populist, the more extreme the cloistering from normal society!)

Kriss would, if he ever read this post, find it hilariously 'liberal' and stupid and whatever (my syntax here obviously embeds my assumption that his ostracism didn't turn him into an angry alt-right incel). I know this for sure (assuming his politics didn't change) because one of his major themes was the supposed absurd hypocrisy of people who are concerned with "civility" in discourse. This theme originally emerged on Twitter, but he also ended up writing a widely shared (on the Twitter left) blogpost on the issue called "The Iron Law of Online Abuse". I won't link this, because I only link things I endorse (I'm not being intellectually irresponsible, it's easy to find!). Sadly, it was a very bad and dumb post (this is relative to other posts and articles he wrote, which I sometimes liked quite a lot!). He pointed out correctly that there are angry and horrible people with all kinds of political affiliations and that the people most vocally concerned with "civility" tend to be massive hypocrites. What he failed to do was actually think about the issue generally and systematically---a recurring theme among internet Leftists. What do I mean by that (in this particular case)? Well, he totally ignored the following considerations: that people with extremist views like his (and I don't mean "extremist" here entirely pejoratively, because some of his extremist views are views which I myself would like to see become far less extremist) actually require advocates who are capable of convincing others and getting them on side; that being civil rather than resorting to personal insults means you are being a better person, because bullying people is wrong (and that it is irrelevant if you are bullying in the context of a debate about, e.g., war crimes, because your bullying is not helping stop those war crimes); that norms of civility almost certainly help us get closer to truth, by limiting polarisation and fractiousness; and that norms of civility probably help foster a healthier society. These considerations make me personally think that it is a very good idea to try to uphold a standard of civility!

As for why I turned that criticism into a general claim about online Leftists, I'll explain that now. A very recent Jesse Singal article (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/there-have-been-so-many-bad-lefty-free-speech-takes-lately.html) helps illustrate the problem with regard to "free speech". Singal notes that instead of actually thinking in terms of abstract moral principles and the long-term consequences of upholding or trashing certain political norms, many Leftists are instead opting for asinine moral grandstanding on free speech, adding weight to their positions not by means of argument, but by insinuating or even directly stating that people who don't agree with them have severe moral failings. I think this is a very important specific insight of Singal's, because I think it generalises. I think the same thing happened with the Nazi-punching 'debate', such as it was; instead of thinking rationally, the objection was simply, 'These people are Nazis? What are you, some kind of Nazi apologist? You don't think Nazis should be punched?' (for more, see http://writingsoftclaitken.blogspot.com.au/2017/08/quick-and-belated-word-on-punching-nazis.html and https://johnhalle.com/outragesandinterludes/on-left-anti-fascism/). I think we are seeing it again in the extreme reactions to people writing articles worrying about trends in desire for extreme body modification in children and the apparently growing extreme dogma that children and early-adolescents with such desires always somehow know deep truths about what will make them happy (Singal's obviously been a major target of backlash on these issues, ever since his piece on Ken Zucker's (seemingly) terribly unfair firing (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html)). Believing, e.g., that drastic and dangerous medical interventions should be a last resort for kids and adolescents and that it's worrying that a growing number seem to be seeking it, does not mean that you don't think that we shouldn't try to eliminate job discrimination against trans people, encourage people to show concern about pronouns if uncertain, reduce 'attack helicopter'-type horrible bigotry, and let trans women into women's shelters. But such nuance is impossible for the overheated tribal soldiers of the internet.

The saddest thing about all of this trouble on "the Left" is that people like me or Jesse, who are 'far Left' insofar as we feel the Bern and hate the Democratic Party and think the Republican Party is the most dangerous organisation in human history and hate the fact that the US government kills thousands of people for no reason and whatnot (and I'm really an ultra-leftist on the environment, in that I think that environmental issues (pollution (plastic in the ocean, air pollution, heavy metals, etc), climate change, species extinction, soil salinisation and erosion, pesticides) totally subsume all other political concerns), are not only alienated by the horrible people I have described in the above, but actively excluded by them, decried as "liberals" for writing things like I have just written and thereby lumped in with the Eric Garlands and Hillary Clintons of the world in an absurdly Manichean, self-undermining ultraleftist worldview.
For chrissakes, people, I'm a huge fan of Chapo Trap House, even if they did seem to be fans of Sam Kriss before the big story and even (more fundamentally) if I do still fail to understand why people give themselves the invidious label of "socialist" when they are not that extreme in their politics and even if I am starting to grow in my conviction that I no longer want to call myself a "leftist" at all, despite all my nutty ultra-left views (well I mean I'm not into tribes anyway, even if tribes are the only hope for achieving anything).

Sunday, 20 November 2016

An Essay called "A Complicated Attempt to Clarify the Relationship between “Gender” and Sex”, with Particular Reference to Transgenderism"

A Complicated Attempt to Clarify the Relationship between “Gender” and Sex”, with Particular Reference to Transgenderism

Few people seem to realise that the traditional – and still most popular – feminist usage of the word “gender” (as a technical term separate from the specific feminist definition of biological “sex”) is polysemous, having at least two senses worth demarcating. That is to say, the standard first-and-second-wave, pre-queer-theory feminist (including ‘radical feminist’) usage of "gender", used most popularly in the construction “Gender is a social construct”, seems to combine a conception of the concept gender as:
a)      The totality of behaviours, mannerisms and psychological preferences routinely associated or bound up (in popular culture, high culture and in our mental models, to varying extents) uniquely with each biological sex (/with the much smaller group of intersex or trans-people readily perceived as women and the much smaller group of intersex or trans-people readily perceived as men),
&
b)      The totality of behaviours and mannerisms actually practised more often by one biological sex (/people successfully performing in the distinguishing way that biological sex performs) plus the totality of preferences actually held more often by one biological sex (/people successfully performing in the distinguishing way that biological sex performs).
There might even be a third, ‘internalist’ sense worth demarcating, namely, “gender” as referring to many people’s folk-psychological essentialism about males and females, as two ‘Platonic’ types. This is related to conception (a), because the essentialist categories ‘male’ and ‘female’ in people’s minds are a distillation of all the behaviours, mannerisms and psychological preferences associated with each sex. It is different because it is not a conception of gender as an ‘external’, ‘social’ entity, but a type of mental category.
 When non-queer-theoretic feminists advocate that we should “smash the gender binary”, I think the majority of them are probably using all these conceptions of gender. That is, they are saying:
i)                    that there should no longer be any behaviours, mannerisms and psychological preferences routinely associated with each sex in popular culture, high culture or our mental models (which covers the third sense)
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ii)                  that (as a means to achieving this end) we should eliminate the average statistical differences in behaviours, mannerisms and psychological preferences between the two sexes.
Now, even though the word “smash” is a very strong one, I assume that some of these feminists do not even mean anything this extreme when they use this language; some of them probably just mean that we should reduce the number of behaviours, mannerisms and psychological preferences routinely associated with each sex (or reduce the strength of the associations), and that we should reduce the extent to which men and women behave differently and have different desires.
I will now discuss another feminist usage of the word “gender” that conflicts with this one. In order to facilitate the comparison, I will henceforth call this conception of the relationship between gender and sex the ‘classical gender doctrine’, and call its proponents ‘classical feminists’ (despite the fact that many different types of feminists have held this doctrine).
As the classical feminist Rebecca Reilly-Cooper notes [https://sexandgenderintro.com/], the standard ‘queer theory’ or ‘trans’ usage of “gender” (very popular on Tumblr and among young people generally, used in constructions like “gender comes from within”), unmistakeably implies something very different: that gender is a metaphysically absolute, phenomenological phenomenon logically independent of sex (sex and gender may typically align but there is no necessary relationship between them). Interestingly, whilst many people who adopt this conception of gender along these lines may also talk of “smashing the gender binary”, Reilly-Cooper is, it seems to me, correct in her argument that this conception of gender crucially depends upon the existence of the gender binary – more precisely, on an ‘essentialist’ or ‘Platonic’ conceptualisation of ‘men’ and ‘women’ as two fundamentally separate types. Why? Because, without the assumed framework of gender binarity, it is impossible to make sense of this usage at all: in particular, it is impossible to make sense, without the gender binary, of a severely gender dysphoric trans person’s claim that they are “in the wrong body”. Both a trans woman’s claim that she has “always been a woman” or a trans man’s claim that he has “always been a man” assume that there is an essence of each gender, because the conception of gender involved is not merely (b) from above. That is, the gender dysphoric who makes such claims is never merely saying that they enact behaviours and mannerisms more often enacted by the biological sex they “want to be” and have preferences and moods more often held by the biological sex they “want to be”. Clearly, that is not what these people mean by these locutions (after all, there are highly camp man and highly butch women who are not gender-dysphoric). Instead, these people are adopting the essentialist conception of gender.
So even if some people who use what I’ve called the ‘queer-theoretic’ usage of gender might also advocate the smashing of the “gender binary” (in favour of a societal adoption of, say, the understanding of gender as a “spectrum”), no sense can be made of this. In any case, the idea of the gender binary being replaced by a gender spectrum is incoherent. It can only be understood if one understands that “gender” is really being used to mean something very close to “personality”.
In my view, the biggest locus of confusion in all feminist debate is over the question of to what extent “gender”, on the classical feminist definition, can be separated from “sex” on the classical feminist definition – which is often very poorly rephrased as the question of whether gender is partly “innate” or merely “socially constructed”. I think that once we get clear on this, we will see that both groups of feminists are in error.
It seems to me that most people who weigh in on this debate think that there ae really only two possible doctrines. The first of these doctrines is what many feminists call "biological determinism" and advocates call "realism": that there are "innate" differences in psychological traits (which manifest in differing behaviours) between the two sexes. The second of these doctrines is what everyone calls "social constructionism about gender". Unfortunately, this notion is very difficult to explicate with any degree of precision. Probably the best way of explaining it is to observe that it is committed to the following counterfactual: if we somehow raised a generation in a society without any “gender” in my first sense (without any behaviours, mannerisms and psychological preferences routinely associated with each sex), then there would be no “gender” in my second sense (average differences in behaviours, mannerisms and psychological preferences between the two sexes).
I will claim that these doctrines are not the only possible options, that both are too vague to be taken seriously, and that the best doctrine on this question requires a significantly more expressive vocabulary than is used in the standard discourse.
Both the idea of a trait being “innate” and the idea of something being “socially constructed” are crude notions – although the latter is far cruder than the former.
First, innateness. As Paul Griffiths has argued in a paper called “What is Innateness”? [http://philpapers.org/rec/GRIWII], innateness is really a folk-biological concept which yokes together a cluster of biologically independent properties, which he calls “developmental fixity”, “species nature” and “intended outcome”. There are, of course, scientifically respectable descendants of these ideas: developmental canalisation, species-typicality and adaptiveness. But, obviously, these are still biologically independent properties.
In the paper, Griffiths quickly runs through some of the complexities of developmental biology and ecology which make a mockery of the idea that this folk concept of “innateness” is a scientifically serious term. He points out that, whilst the traditional notion of “universality” (which he says should be re-phrased “typicality” in any case) conflates “the two very different properties of being monomorphic and being pancultural”, “many pan-cultural traits, such as hair colour or susceptibility to early onset diabetes, are polymorphic” [74]. He observes that “neither being monomorphic neither being pancultural has any very strong connection to being the result of adaptive evolution” [74].  Different cultural environments, for example, “can systematically induce different developmental outcomes”, and “in this respect different cultures can resemble the different ecological zones which induce the same species of plant to develop into different ectomorphs, for example, a low-growing shrub at high altitudes and an upright tree at lower altitudes” [74]. He then notes that “The relationship between having an evolutionary explanation and exhibiting developmental fixity is equally problematic” [74]. As he writes,
“Developmental psychobiologists since Lehrmann have documented innumerable cases in which evolved developmental outcomes require a rich and highly specific developmental environment.  In rhesus macaques, for example, the recognition of emotional reactions in conspecifics and the ability to cooperate in agonistic interaction depend on infant social interaction for their development (Mason, 1985)” [74].
Finally, he points out that it is an accepted orthodoxy in developmental science that “universality and developmental fixity cannot be equated” [75].
 Now, it’s important to be clear about what exactly this means: it certainly does not mean that anyone using the word “innate” is saying something meaningless or incoherent (Andrew Ariew’s influential analysis of innateness as developmental canalisation does seem to be sufficient to defend the Chomskyan claim of the ‘innateness’ of the language faculty), but it does mean that the term itself, at least when left unclarified, is not fit for serious, scientific discourse. It is true that the well-known popular scientist Steven Pinker uses the term without much clarification in all his books. I think Pinker probably doesn’t worry about it too much because he’s an adaptationist rather than an Extended Evolutionary Synthesiser: he basically assumes that all developmentally canalised, species-typical or sex-typical psychological or behavioural traits are adaptive. But this is a mistake in any case.
Now “social construction”. The idea of a trait or set of traits being “socially constructed” is hideously unclear. It also seems to imply commitment to the related false dichotomies of biology versus culture, and nature versus nurture. I’m not a greedy reductionist, but it seems to me that claiming that a given trend in human psychology or behaviour is “socially constructed” as opposed to “innate” is basically just a way of avoiding any serious, scientific debate. It’s a slogan. Invoking this vocabulary is a way of jumping up to a higher level of abstraction where biology doesn’t exist (despite the fact that we are biological creatures, not angels, and “society” is a creation of our collective intentionality as biological creatures).
But I know what you’re thinking: surely I would accept some claims involving this vocabulary of “social construction”, for example, the claim that sport is a social construction, or the claim that at least certain features of gender according to conception (b) are socially constructed, like the wearing of dresses by women and the wearing of pants by men.
My response to this line of objection is, by necessity, quite complicated. When I don my analytic philosopher’s cap for the claim about “sport” – treating the statement as a serious academic-grade truth-claim rather than an everyday assertion (a speech act) – I really do think that the vocabulary is still too vague. What does it even mean to say that sport is a social construction? From what I understand, sport or sport-like practices (eg ritualistic warfare in hunter-gatherer societies) are common to a vast number of cultures. Moreover, I see a very high level of plausibility in the common claim that sport exploits the same basic human urges, instincts and proclivities as practices that we are much less inclined to call “social constructs”, like hunting and tribal warfare (male aggression, male belligerence, in-group-out-group psychology (tribalist psychology), as well as exploiting various other basic human desires (the urge for camaraderie and community, loyalty,  thrill-seeking, etc) that nobody calls social constructs. So what does this mean? Well, it means, I think, that to say that “sport is a social construction” is to tell you nothing.
I don’t think that the claim that the association between women and dresses, and the association between men and pants, is “socially constructed” is as unhelpful as that about sport being socially constructed. The reason is that I think this one is easy enough to analyse counterfactually: there is overwhelming reason to think that this gendered sartorial association might easily have been reversed, both because dress (like car-driving) presumably played no role in our evolution, and because the gendered sartorial associations have been different in other cultures (think kilts). It’s more like saying that a specific sport – say, cricket – is “socially constructed”, which similarly admits of easy counterfactual analysis. But “gender”, on the classical feminist definition, is a lot more than just clothes. Ask a slightly different question and suddenly the verdict is very fuzzy, and suddenly this vocabulary of “social construction” begins to seem too nebulous again. Is women’s greater (average) preoccupation with fashion socially constructed? Is it a social construction that makes women more attracted to, say, floral patterns? Is it a social construction that women are more preoccupied with appearance in general? From what I understand, a greater preoccupation with appearance among women – a greater interest in self-decoration and self-beautification – is by no means culturally specific to “the West”. And, of course, there are some plausible evo-psych explanations for why this might have been selected for. This should be enough to give us pause about applying the same straightforward counterfactual analysis in answering these questions.
So, seeing as both these terms are unhelpful, let’s try to actually investigate the question of the relationship between gender and sex without using either.
In The Blank Slate, the main consideration Steven Pinker adduces in favour of the existence of “innate sex differences” is the existence of certain allegedly pan-cultural behavioural and psychological differences between the sexes (and pan-cultural gender stereotypes). Obviously, he also thinks that the hypothesis of innate sex differences is supported by other considerations, like the evolutionary significance of sexual dimorphism (this gives us a reason to expect some average sex differences in behaviour and psychology), and the obvious role of sex hormones in affecting not only contemporaneous behaviour but in affecting the brain over time (prenatally and then again in adolescence) [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jnr.23809/epdf]. Pinker may also discuss the extremely compelling evidence of developmentally canalised average psychological sex differences that comes from cases of male babies born with the rare condition known as cloacal exstrophy and surgically “re-assigned” to the female sex at birth (I can’t remember if Pinker discusses this (and I only ever listened to the audiobook version of the work, on Youtube)). Here’s what I wrote about this in my “Formal Defence of Feminism”:
“One of the most compelling pieces of evidence that male and female brains really are different from birth comes from babies born with the extremely rare condition known as cloacal exstrophy. Male babies born with this extremely rare condition are typically reassigned to the female gender at birth. William Reiner, a child psychiatrist and urologist at John Hopkins Hospital, was one of these unfortunate babies. As his name gives away, his role as a girl caused him great anguish, leading him to re-reassign as soon as he could. No doubt influenced by his own history, Reiner started doing research on the psychology of babies born with cloacal exstrophy in 1993. A longitudinal study he conducted on male-born, female-assigned children brought dramatic results. Of the 14 male-born, female-assigned children he followed, 7 had declared they were boys by their teenage years, 5 spontaneously. In the non-spontaneous cases, the change merely came after the parents came clean about the birth. There may even have been more cases of gender dysphoria that emerged later; I don’t know, because my information comes from 2003, in Michael J. Bailey’s controversial book The Man who would be Queen. In any case, it is astronomically unlikely that this massive anomaly (7 out of 14 with extreme gender dysphoria) is a coincidence.”
 Pinker’s main source for pan-cultural sex differences in psychology and behaviour (along with a host of other things) is what appears to be his favourite anthropological conspectus: a 1991 book called Human Universals, by a man named Donald Brown. A summary of the absolute cognitive (emotional, intellectual), and social generalisations Brown thinks one can make about human beings can be found here: http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/2890/brownlisthumanuniversals.pdf. Crucially, for our purposes, Brown claims that in all societies ever documented by anthropologists or found in the historical record, there have been gender roles, males have dominated the political sphere, males have been more prone to violence (particularly young men), women have been more liable to gossip, and women have been more involved in child-rearing. This does give us good reason to think that there’s something about the male Y chromosome and testosterone that encourages traits of dominance and aggression, and something about the female biological endowment that encourages traits of empathy and sensitivity and possibly greater sociality or geniality.
 One interesting theory that I have about sex differences, which seemingly no-one else ever entertains, is that our very consciousness of the different bodies of males and females – women’s consciousness of being smaller, on average – may help to shape our psychology in a gendered way. It is a very real possibility (in fact, I think it's a probability) that the very fact of men's being taller, more muscular and having deeper voices than the other, softer and smaller sex, affects male psychology to a nontrivial extent – subtly encouraging males to feel more confident and act in a more dominant way – and affects female psychology to a nontrivial extent also – subtly encouraging females to feel less confident and act in a more meek way. One might take it as a falsification of this hypothesis that the very shortest males are often the most cocky, but even if this is true, I don’t think it counts as a falsification, because my claim is subtler: I think that the more abstract idea of the male being bigger and taller, and the female being smaller and weaker, may affect our own self-perceptions as specific instantiations of one of these two Platonic forms, even if we don’t share the attributes of the forms.
So what’s my conclusion about sex difference? I think that there almost certainly are at least some developmentally canalised, species-typical average sex differences, the majority of which are probably adaptations. Environment obviously matters a massive amount in biology generally, but I think the evidence does suggest that biological females are, on average, across socio-cultural environments, more likely to be caring and nurturant, and males are, on average, across socio-cultural environments, more likely to be cocky, cold and violent (incidentally, evidence suggests that males in the West are at least three times more likely to be psychopaths). This further suggests that these traits may be adaptive.
Relatedly, it does seem to me that the role of ‘cultural environment’ (gender apartheid in toys and kid’s clothes, and the massive role of gender stereotypes in popular culture) in shaping gender is very likely overestimated by classical feminists. Consider these extracts from my “Formal Defence of Feminism”, in which I adduce the evidence which seems to impugn this thesis:
1.) “One reason for being sceptical about the power of corporations to shape gender roles and stereotypes is that there is some evidence that the more you try to eliminate old-fashioned gender stereotypes within a free society, the stronger they become. In fact, there is a fairly strong statistical link between a country’s success in reaching feminist goals and the divergence of its citizen’s preferences along gendered lines. This article is a concise, even-handed exposition of the evidence for this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/do-women-really-have-it-better-in-sweden/article15552596/. The most important point is found at the back-end of the article, and I’ll quote it here:
“Studies of people in more than 60 countries around the world have found that much of gendered behaviour is culturally universal – men in all cultures tend to be more assertive and less emotionally expressive, while women are more nurturing and co-operative. But according to one startling research report, the divergence between male and female personality traits is more marked in highly developed countries.
The researchers believe the reason is that people in rich and educated societies are freer to be self-expressive. As writer Christina Hoff Sommers speculated a few months back in The Atlantic, “What if gender difference turns out to be a phenomenon not of oppression, but rather of social well-being?”” 
2.) “There are more female science undergraduates in Sweden than America, but they fall away at postgraduate levels quite dramatically. A nice paper from Leibniz University in Hannover analyses the data on gender representation in STEM across the world: http://www.genderandstem.com/fileadmin/user_upload_genderstem/docs/KathrinLeuze_GenderSTEM_Berlin2014.pdf. The authors of this paper ultimately find four correlates of higher female STEM aspirations: better school performance of girls relative to boys; a small service sector; less progressive social norms (Japan does extremely well, for example); and lower general occupational sex segregation. So the picture is complicated.”
I would clearly not want to claim that socialisation and enculturation are not important (no, boys are not innately attracted to blue, and we should certainly not be nihilists about getting more women into STEM subjects, or reducing rape or domestic violence). But I do think that the case for the existence of some developmentally canalised, species-typical sex differences is pretty strong. I think Cordelia Fine is very successful in arguing that evidence of cognitive differences between men and women is extremely questionable in her book Delusions of Gender, but I am not sold on her total scepticism about all differences. Given all the considerations in favour of the existence of some developmentally canalised, species-typical sex differences, I think that the inference to the best explanation is that there are some species-typical, developmentally canalised sex differences.
So what does this mean for my position on the conflict between the classical feminists and the ‘queer’ feminists? Well, as I said before, I reject both positions. I reject the classical feminist idea that gender is “socially constructed” because it’s too vague. I also reject a metaphysically absolute conception of gender identity which I attributed to ‘queer theorists’, because I am not an essentialist. I don’t think there’s an essence to being a woman, or an essence to being a man (no scientific naturalist does). I therefore don’t think it makes any sense (strictly speaking) to say that one has “always been a woman” or “always been a man”, and I definitely don’t accept the idea of a “gender spectrum”, which, as I said, is incoherent.
On the other hand, I do think that the idea that individuals can be fundamentally more masculine or more feminine makes perfect sense, because there are average developmentally canalised psychological sex differences – because there are neuroarchitectural and neurochemical features that men are more likely to be born with and neuroarchitectural and neurochemical features that women are more likely to be born with (I discussed neurosanatonomical evidence of sex differences in my “Formal Defence of Feminism”). I think that being born an effeminate man or a butch woman has a very large amount to do with prenatal hormones (Baron-Cohen has some compelling evidence of this). I do think that we will probably find some genetic correlates of homosexuality, and I think that sexual orientation and “gender identity” very likely are linked [https://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/CV261Bailey_UQ_Copy.pdf].
Crucially, I think that accepting this basic idea that there are developmentally canalised average sex differences is the only way of making sense of the psychology of strong gender non-conformists: the psychology, that is, of ‘camp’ men, ‘butch’ women and gender dysphorics. The best way a classical feminist could try to explain the existence of camp men, butch women and gender dysphorics would be to say that all humans are born with different psychological and behavioural dispositions (i.e. rejecting some kind of extreme empiricism or blank slate doctrine) but to insist that there is no average grouping of these dispositions by sex. On this view, gender non-conformists would have to be the group of people who are harder to socialise into the gender norms by virtue of the fact that they just happen to be born with a set of dispositions that strongly match the socially constructed norms for the opposite gender. But this is an unnecessarily convoluted explanation (completely defying Occam’s Razor) and, crucially, implies commitment to the false dichotomy between nature and nurture – imagining that it could be the case that a whole gender system could be essentially divorced from biology, which is odd given that we are biology; we are organic systems, built up molecule by molecule in haphazard, stochastic processes, constantly affected by environmental inputs, according to genetic ‘instructions’ which have been altered by aeons of evolutionary history. There is no personality without a brain, and, whilst it is fair to say “the brain is shaped by culture”, it is also fair to say, on another level of abstraction, neurochemistry is independent of “culture”, because on the neurochemical level of abstraction, all there is is chemistry. Chemical reactions aren’t socially constructed. Genetic mutations aren’t socially constructed. Phenotypic expression isn’t socially constructed. Epigenetic effects aren’t socially constructed. Hormones affect gene expression and alter brain chemistry, and hormones do this in complete obliviousness to pop music video clips or children’s toys.
One must never lose sight of the fact that we’re not that different from any other biological organism (culture isn’t some magical cloud that overrides biology), and the classical feminist doctrine seems to entail that we are very different.
So whilst I don’t think that it really makes sense for a trans person to say “I have always been [the gender which doesn’t match my sex]”, I think it may almost makes sense, if they are a trans person belonging to the group Ray Blanchard calls “homosexual transsexuals”, rather than “auto-gynephiles”. Most homosexual transsexuals probably do have a brain that is more likely to be possessed by the opposite sex. Obviously, it is something in their biology that makes them want to transition (it might not be genetic but it could be prenatal), because we are biological creatures. And it is something that resisted all the social conditioning that says that we should conform to gender norms.


Saturday, 19 November 2016

Exhibit A, Exhibit B: Two mysticist, counter-Enlightenment extremists

https://twitter.com/sam_kriss
Sam Kriss: PoMo extremist, conty, self-described 'communist' (I discovered him through entertaining attacks on Neil deGrasse Tyson, Nick Cohen, Alain de Botton and Richard Dawkins, but I knew he was an idiot as soon as I got to the end of the funny vignette at the beginning of his Dawkins piece, when he started gibbering madly about Dawkins' epistemic naivety in a way that shouted, "I am a typical pre-Enlightenment, deranged English Lit Major who has forgotten that some people really do know things (with numbers and equations and all the rest of it)"). Basically, he is dangerously deranged (he is also very emotionally volatile, as one should expect from ideological extremists). He probably thinks that it is impossible to be a lunatic and have a vocabulary as large as he does, and know as much continental (German-Idealist and Parisian) philosophy as he does, but, if so, he is (need I say) wrong. He has never tried to think clearly about anything, and doesn't know how to. Indeed, he is such a muddled thinker that he thinks that there is no such thing as thinking clearly, and has described himself as an "epistemological nihilist". Obviously, it makes no sense to confidently declare oneself an epistemological nihilist, because asserting that no human knows anything is straightforwardly paradoxical, as any smart 8-year-old knows (of course, he'd probably deny that that's even what he means by "epistemological nihilist" (strictly a category error) but there is no other non-incoherent interpretation).  Kriss no doubt thinks that logic is a social construct (why would other cultures worry about coherence?). When I say "no doubt", I am only using slightly hyperbolic language: after all, in his Dawkins piece he talks contemptuously of Dawkins' faith in the "juridical categories" of "proof and evidence". It's both tragic and terrifying that he doesn't realise how (literally) insane this is.
He probably thinks that Bertrand Russell was a 'logocentrist', I know that he mocks "analytic philosophers" (yes, all of them), and I am sure he knows nothing of Bayesian epistemology. If he ever reads this, he will think it laughably Fedoraish, caricaturish, 'analytic' and epistemically naive. Just like a schizophrenic being told that the voices in his head aren't real.
Of course, Kriss also thinks everything is a joke, and spends almost all his time being sardonic and wry. No doubt being an epistemological nihilist is itself a joke. No doubt it doesn't matter to Kriss that it doesn't make any sense; indeed, that is probably part of its appeal...
Kriss rejects science and scientific scepticism (he probably thinks that the Enlightenment is "a myth" agrees with Sandra Harding that the Principia Mathematica is Newton's "rape manual", and thinks Galileo discovered nothing - or at least thinks it funny to adopt such positions, just as he thinks it's funny to be a flat-earther), he doesn't believe in interrogating his positions for weaknesses, and he doesn't believe in trying his best to proportion his beliefs to the evidence. In short, he's a PoMo lunatic.

https://twitter.com/kantbot2000
This is the Twitter profile of the guy who, in a video filmed in the centre of New York, uploaded to Youtube recently, claims that "Trump is a Kantian" who is going to "complete the system of German idealism" and raise "Thule" and "Atlantis" (with some help from "global cooling"). He is a full-time ironist (so much so that I suspect he no longer can tell the difference between his 'ironic' positions and his 'real' ones), a clever Alt-Right troll, a German idealist (who uses his apparent erudition as a means of trolling), a Trump supporter (I suspect there might have been an element of irony in this to start, but I think he enjoys being a Trump supporter (in particular, using his knowledge of German philosophy to exalt Trump)), and misogynist (this is transparent in his early blog posts). He is clearly a person who went off on the wrong path a long time ago, and has been unable to get back.

The Twitter feeds of these two young men are remarkably similar. They make similar ironic tweets and make similar quips. They have a similar sense of humour. They like appealing to esoterica in incongruous contexts as a means of generating laughs. They both know German idealist philosophy. They are both uninterested in rationality, and instead indulge radical mysticism.
They are both extremists.
Are they so different?

I hope that Sam Kriss read this, and I hope he doesn't laugh. But if he does read this, I know he will laugh. Until that preceding sentence, whereupon he will suddenly stop reading and experience a terrifying, earth-shattering epiphany. Upon the conclusion of this epiphany, he will immediately seek out the nearest book by B. Russell.

Sunday, 2 October 2016

Two Old Socratic (Facebook) Dialogues on Aesthetics (with a particular focus on literature), the Value of Literary Analysis and the Value of (Different Forms of) High Art

Note: this is slightly redacted. In both dialogues, I sent several amusing gifs and HR reacted to some of them. I have eliminated all traces of this and stitched together the remaining fragments to make the dialogue seamless. There are also a couple of other redactions done to anonymise non-prominent persons.

1 March
TA
01/03/2016 15:54
what are your aesthetic views precisely
(other than, photography is lame)
TA
01/03/2016 16:02
last year, i was saying there are true judges and you were saying there are not
HR
01/03/2016 16:20
the view of mine that I was referring to is, I suppose, not really a strictly philosophical aesthetic problem
It's the view that: art is a terrible medium for direct communication and thus should be minimally 'about' ideas and maximally in pursuit of some other, mystical kind of thing which I haven't yet figured out
HR
01/03/2016 16:20
this isn't an issue that seems to interest you
TA
01/03/2016 16:20
oh yeah
the mystical thing
you lunatic
HR
01/03/2016 16:21
but I mean, you can reject the mystical bit
and accept that it makes very little sense to decide to communicate serious, complex ideas in art
TA
01/03/2016 16:21
i think art should be about what it's like to be a fucking human bean!
HR
01/03/2016 16:21
yeah, lol
TA
01/03/2016 16:21
and that wasn't a typo
Hector Ramage
01/03/2016 16:21
the classic thing is
(I got that)
DFW made pretty shit art, I feel, if that was his central criterion
TA
01/03/2016 16:22
yes yes yes
that's what everyone says
in the new yorker etc
HR
01/03/2016 16:22
and, anyway, he entertained two meaningfully opposed ideas about aesthetics throughout his media career
TA
01/03/2016 16:22
dt max, james wood etc
HR
01/03/2016 16:22
one was about being a human bean
the other was that making and reading literature represents the zenith of intellectual achievement
TA
01/03/2016 16:24
surely the best way of figuring out what you think a given genre of art SHOULD be like is thinking about the properties of the works in that genre of art that you do like
HR
01/03/2016 16:24
naturally
TA
01/03/2016 16:24
for example, i like mister squishy
so i think fiction sometimes should be highly experimental
and i like good old neon
so i think fiction should sometimes be weird first-person philosophical things
and i mostly liked the more non-fictiony bits of infinite jest
so i think fiction should sometimes be non-fictiony
and i like the road
HR
01/03/2016 16:26
I think that if I don't think too hard about it, I like M Squishy
but I think I'm intensity matching when I do that
TA
01/03/2016 16:26
so i think fiction should have nice spare sentences and emotional power
but then these don't all line up nicely
overlapping family resemblances
i think it's easier to say what i don't think fiction should be
come to think of it
HR
01/03/2016 16:27
yes
I don't think fiction should ever really be written when the author is proceeding essentially as if they were writing an essay
and I am fairly convinced that DFW did that all the time
and this is possibly unsurprising given that he spent a lot of time in creative writing programs founded on the fallacious view that art is about communicating ideas
the edifice of modern English literary academia is built on this fallacious foundation
TA
01/03/2016 16:29
quite
i agree with that, more or less
not entirely of course
communicating ideas
HR
01/03/2016 16:30
(dfw was almost right when he said that 'fiction exists to make you feel less lonely')
(but he formulated that thought incorrectly, and this is only part of fiction's 'job')
TA
01/03/2016 16:30
is really central to all literary fiction
but i guess the key is that the ideas should have extra power by virtue of being expressed in a literary form and NOT complicated philosophical ideas
eg heart of darkness
is good
imo
because it expresses some vague and nevertheless important ideas about mankind etc
in a way that is almost irreducible in its power
HR
01/03/2016 16:32
I kind of agree, I think
the irreducibility of the experience of consuming art is fairly central to my argument against the current orthodoxy
(lol)
but every act of exegesis, in literature, is a reduction
a really brutal reduction
TA
01/03/2016 16:33
yes
HR
01/03/2016 16:33
and because fiction is fiction, if you want to get at the ideas that an author putatively is trying to express, if you want to get to the artichoke heart, you must vivisect
TA
01/03/2016 16:33
what do you think
of farenheit 451
(to go through school texts)
too didactic?
HR
01/03/2016 16:33
(the only true way to express what HoD is expressing is to give someone a copy of HoD)
TA
01/03/2016 16:33
yes
HR
01/03/2016 16:33
pretty didactic
TA
01/03/2016 16:34
similar to HoD, i think dickens novels are probably a more irreducibly affecting way of polemicising class divisions than essays
however
i still find them a bit boring
HR
01/03/2016 16:35
same
TA
01/03/2016 16:35
stiglitz is easier to read
HR
01/03/2016 16:35
no doubt
honestly, now that you draw my attention to it, the most useful and laudable function of didactic art is probably the introduction of complex ideas to schoolchildren
TA
01/03/2016 16:37
yessiree
so art is childish
HR
01/03/2016 16:37
that art is childish
there is a reason that we treat allegory as a very distinct subset of literature
the art is robbed of something by the prominence and barefacèdness of the ideas
the giving famishes the craving
TA
01/03/2016 16:39
hmm
HR
01/03/2016 16:39
(Eliot quote deliberately wanky)
my above assertion about the way we treat allegory could be totally wrong
I just thought it up then
but it think it's plausible
the weird and unacknowledged truth is that the establishment treats all writing as if it were allegory
TA
01/03/2016 16:41
they have to to exist don't they
HR
01/03/2016 16:41
for a literature professor, writing exists so that ideas can be sleuthed out by tweedvested academics
what have to exist?
TA
01/03/2016 16:42
literature professors
HR
01/03/2016 16:42
well it is of course in their interest to promulgate their own warped view of art
so that they have jobs
TA
01/03/2016 16:42
and but so
and so but
now did they now did they
HR
01/03/2016 16:43
oh god, yes
TA
01/03/2016 16:43
definitely something to be said for the view that intellectualising art
HR
01/03/2016 16:43
are you referring to that Wallace 'story'
TA
01/03/2016 16:44
sort of bleaches it
kills it
wrings it dry
whatever
[insert metaphor here]
HR
01/03/2016 16:44
vivisection is my central metaphor for this process
go on
TA
01/03/2016 16:44
i mean, even philosophically, like we're doing
i don't mean what they do
i mean this
HR
01/03/2016 16:45
ah right
well, we're mostly intellectualising the intellectualisation of art
TA
01/03/2016 16:45
yes, true enough
HR
01/03/2016 16:45
we're doing meta-aesthetics
TA
01/03/2016 16:45
but my own personal journey
suggests that intellectualising art can make you stop caring about it
to some extent
well i mean
eg
if you like painting
and then you think, 'why do i like painting?'
you may conclude that you should be doing better things with your time
or that liking painting is fundamentally pretentious, and you should like movies or video games instaed
HR
01/03/2016 16:47
I see what you're saying
but my interest in literature has largely been kept aflame by my articulation of these views
TA
01/03/2016 16:48
hmm
yes
HR
01/03/2016 16:48
I feel as if I'm defending a sylvan grove from interlopers who only want its timber
they can't see the beauty of the unsullied, unhewed forest
unhewn, rather
TA
01/03/2016 16:49
yep
wel the strange thing about music
is that -- maybe because it has such a direct effect --
it seems impossible to not care about it
HR
01/03/2016 16:50
yes
for many people music is a pretty fundamental part of quotidian life
slightly more important than other kinds of entertainment
slightly more necessary
I think it probably is because of its emotional immediacy
music is minimally cerebral
TA
01/03/2016 16:52
but the thing is, fiction reqiures a much bigger investment than even shostakovich (or whatever)
not even literary fiction
HR
01/03/2016 16:52
yes
TA
01/03/2016 16:52
like john green
HR
01/03/2016 16:52
a bigger temporal and cerebral investment
TA
01/03/2016 16:53
and that
's why one is more inclined to reject it
because there are far more efficient thrills avaiable
and that's the central problem fiction has
how to justify the investment
HR
01/03/2016 16:53
yes
TA
01/03/2016 16:53
and that's why we're asking these questions
and that's why i'm typing
HR
01/03/2016 16:54
you have to make the reader want to work for it
--dfw, roughly
TA
01/03/2016 16:54
and that's why god is real
HR
01/03/2016 16:54
godel
TA
01/03/2016 16:54
godel is real
dfw, roughly is a strange name
sounds like a bostan nurlanov character name
HR
01/03/2016 16:54
it does
TA
01/03/2016 16:55
now
hmm
anyway, this greater investment is why you and i are agreed (is it not) that reading pulp fiction makes no sense whatsoever
i put that parenthetical interjection in a rather awkward place
it's hard to parse
and by pulp fiction i don't mean the book version of that annoying tarantino movie
i mean junk fiction
HR
01/03/2016 16:57
yes, I got that
TA
01/03/2016 16:57
i actually think it makes sense that the book industry should lose lots of people
with the emergence of other media
HR
01/03/2016 16:58
it makes sense that it should lose peeps, or that this happens
?
TA
01/03/2016 16:59
it makes sense that average people would flock away from books
why read some shitty romance book or fifty shades of grey or whatever
or even george rr martin books
when you could watch tv versions
maybe that's not right
there are probably some unique aspects of george rr martin books, for example
maybe he writes well??
sex scenes are longer?
HR
01/03/2016 17:00
moving images and actual sounds are certainly more emotionally immediate than fiction
and presumably the main reason to read pulp fiction is to experience various emotions
although that's a bit reductive
TA
01/03/2016 17:01
but anyway, i still think it makes sense that crappy books would die.
i don't think it 'makes sense' in the same way that excellent fiction would die
and i think that's where we wholly agree
in other words,
there is sufficient unique experiences to be reaped from certain complex fiction to warrant the continued popularity of fiction in the marketplace of entertainment
HR
01/03/2016 17:03
yes
well, this conversation has suggested to me that we agree more than I thought
TA
01/03/2016 17:03
but then again
hecfuck
i kind of just say things
HR
01/03/2016 17:04
I have sorted out the destructive parts of my thesis, but not the constructive parts
TA
01/03/2016 17:04
because they help me fit in
it's socially convenient for me to say that literary fiction ought to still be a fairly big business
but should it
HR
01/03/2016 17:04
I dunno
TA
01/03/2016 17:05
i haven't read any fiction for quite a while now
HR
01/03/2016 17:05
that issue actually doesn't really interest me
TA
01/03/2016 17:05
it does actuallly
by OUGHT, i mean according to your aesthetic pantheon
aesthetic cosmos
hierarchy
HR
01/03/2016 17:05
aesthetic chaos
TA
01/03/2016 17:06
in my time
i have started a fair few serious fiction books and not completed most of them
it was a struggle to complete catch 22 the first time
i never completed oliver twist in year 9
(half-way through approx)
i never completed great sexpectations
i never completed crime and punishment
i haven't completed bleak house
i never completed midnight's children
(approx half-way through)
samuel beckett's books seemed a bore, the little i read of them
HR
01/03/2016 17:08
(I feel you may have misunderstood some of my views if you think they have a huge amount of specific stuff to say about the market for serious fiction)
TA
01/03/2016 17:08
i never completed ulysses
HR
01/03/2016 17:08
I think, almost, that fiction should just be protracted poetry
TA
01/03/2016 17:09
well i was being too general perhaps
but anyway
ok
but you don't really adhere to that view completely
that's too monistic
monic
it's too reductive
HR
01/03/2016 17:09
character and plot should be subsumed and subordinated as techniques
that's true
I mean it very loosely
the point is that language should be the most important aspect of literature and the things we have to say about it
TA
01/03/2016 17:10
yes
Language
interesting use of language
is key
HR
01/03/2016 17:10
the way certain words were combined to portray or evoke or circumscribe some atom of real experience
TA
01/03/2016 17:10
i would agree with that
in fact, that's an excellent thesis
HR
01/03/2016 17:11
the task of the professor would be far more technicentric than it currently is
TA
01/03/2016 17:11
fiction should, above all, use language in an interesting way
i agree with that wholly
HR
01/03/2016 17:11
that ugly neologism means 'centred on technique'
TA
01/03/2016 17:11
it fits my views
except on ulysses
actually it probably still fits my views on ulysses
because what makes ulysses a wank
is not the interesting use of language per se
but how cryptic it is
i wouldn't mind lots of old english words and so on
if it was easier to follow and less frustrating
HR
01/03/2016 17:12
yes
but this problem is possibly because Joyce was an acolyte of the ideocentric view of literature, at least when he wrote U
TA
01/03/2016 17:14
(in case you didn't realise, this prescription still works with dfw)
(in my opinion)
HR
01/03/2016 17:14
perhaps
except that dfw is always trying to tell me some convoluted and almost certainly specious b. s. about modern life through his characters, plots, and atomic uses of language
TA
01/03/2016 17:16
well, actually
i think hector
HR
01/03/2016 17:16
(and, also, I don't really like dfw's style
the stories of his that I really like are ones in which he very consciously writes in a way that differs from his corpus)
TA
01/03/2016 17:16
you should rename your thesis or doctrine (or whatever you want to call it)
'techniemoticentrism' or 'technipathocentrism' or something
because, really, you're saying
well i don't need to explain what you're saying
HR
01/03/2016 17:18
(NB that I have not, in this convo, fully delineated my feelings on this issue. you are a lonely mariner on the bridge, looking out over the benighted sea of aesthetics, and you can only see the tip of my conceptual iceberg)
TA
01/03/2016 17:18
you genius
HR
01/03/2016 17:18
yes
TA
01/03/2016 17:18
you are a god
HR
01/03/2016 17:19
i thought using an iceberg as a metaphor for something only partially disclosed was really original
that reminds me
part of why conceptual visual art is so shit is because it's all about ideas and minimally about traditional technique and medium
I don't think a visual artist has ever had an idea worth sharing
TA
01/03/2016 17:21
but anyway, even if i can only see the tip of your iceberg (now it sounds gay)
is my suggestion not apt
a more accurate description of your views (in one word)
a more accurate description of your views (in one word)
HR
01/03/2016 17:22
no, yes, it is certainly apt
I just said that because I would have openly mentioned the primacy of emotion in my picture of art
but didn't get the chance to
the crucial thing is that the reader's emotional response is triggered not by what they read but by the way language is used to express the thing they read
TA
01/03/2016 17:24
yes
well, both, obviousy
HR
01/03/2016 17:24
it is mystical, to me. often it just feels insane.
yes
TA
01/03/2016 17:25
no you're right to think this
i think this should be uncontroversial, almost
HR
01/03/2016 17:25
mystical or insane?
TA
01/03/2016 17:25
because art is all about medium
to think your aesthetic view
HR
01/03/2016 17:25
yes
and the primacy of medium has been insidiously sidelined in English academia
TA
01/03/2016 17:26
art without medium-focus is like love without an object!
HR
01/03/2016 17:26
literary academia, rather
TA
01/03/2016 17:26
it's not quite true to say that it has been insidiously sidelined
well
i mean
because
how do you analyse the techniques themselves without talking about their effect?
in english, you analyse techniques to work out what the author is trying to say by those techniques
HR
01/03/2016 17:27
yes
this latter approach is orthodoxy
TA
01/03/2016 17:28
but you are partly saying, possibly, that we should dispense with analysis
HR
01/03/2016 17:28
you cannot analyse a technique intrinsically, divorced from its denotations
TA
01/03/2016 17:29
hence you shouldn't analyse techniques?
HR
01/03/2016 17:29
no
I think there is room for analysis in my theory
but it must be closer to critical, rather than theoretical/academic writing
more New Yorker, less English department
the analyser should say, maybe, how something made them feel, and how the marriage of subject matter and language aroused these feelings
this is all very dodgy-sounding
I have not thought it through yet
also, you need not continue this convo if it is boring you
I don't have too much more to say that I wouldn't rather say in person
TA
01/03/2016 17:32
no
it is not boring
to send gifs
i think that's not too dodgy
but i also think that you're probably preaching the demise of the school subject
HR
01/03/2016 17:33
yes, at least in its current incarnation
I am not silencing the colloquy forever
there is stuff to be said about art
but I think the current topics of conversation are the wrong ones
it's like admiring the Mona Lisa for its frame, or something
we're missing the good stuff
It was very heartening to read some interviews with William Gass where he articulates similar views about literature
'Rilke's ideas are total shit, but it's not about the ideas'
to paraphrase him
he does say "total shit", though

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TA
01/06/2016 16:32
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don't know who AM is
HR
01/06/2016 17:25
lol
TA
01/06/2016 17:25
yeah
HR
01/06/2016 17:26
lol at both
TA
01/06/2016 17:26
we did recently answer this question ourselves
what was the conclusion?
HR
01/06/2016 17:26
we didn't exactly ask this question
aesthetic experience is mystical and difficult to talk sensibly aobut
W's answer is laughably stupid
TA
01/06/2016 17:28
it is
true
HR
01/06/2016 17:28
he's just being DFW, of course
TA
01/06/2016 17:28
yes
my thought
HR
01/06/2016 17:28
I have no doubt that that's a deliberate Wallace echo
TA
01/06/2016 17:28
if he used the word "solipsism" he would have been caught out directly
naked
HR
01/06/2016 17:28
yep
we need Ramon Glazov on the scene
TA
01/06/2016 17:28
yeah
i think when you're talking about value, you can't just be mystical
because that's, in a sense, circular
HR
01/06/2016 17:29
I'm not saying art's valuable cos it's mystical
TA
01/06/2016 17:29
but our conclusion was that there are several unique aspects to the literary genre
that make it intrinsically valuable
as compared with other genres
i think that was something we agreed on
HR
01/06/2016 17:30
that's no doubt true
we agreed on the primacy of technique
as a topic of aesthetic discussion
TA
01/06/2016 17:30
he should have said that
yes
HR
01/06/2016 17:30
technical achievement is one aspect of art that you can talk about quite confidently
and it is clearly integral to good art
TA
01/06/2016 17:32
quite
we were both also in agreement that there is no point to pulp, trash or pop fiction
and if AM is going to write that
HR
01/06/2016 17:32
yep
TA
01/06/2016 17:32
then i would advise him to stop
TA
01/06/2016 17:35
[Pasted another comment from the thread]
"HB: Fiction is important!! It's a legitimate method to creatively explore complicated ideas, as well as summarising them in a way that can be understood outside of academia. Yes there are bourgeois forms of the novel, like there are bourgeois forms of every medium, but nah fiction writing is huuuuge
this i think is a legitimate point. you raised this idea about three years ago and it was a mild revelation for me"
HR
01/06/2016 17:35
all of these answers are shite
TA
01/06/2016 17:35
no
just the idea that allegory
HR
01/06/2016 17:35
B's answer is almost sensible
TA
01/06/2016 17:36
can be a good means of transmitting an idea with greater punch and emotional force
HR
01/06/2016 17:36
you can make ideas moving, somehow
TA
01/06/2016 17:36
an idea or set of ideas
satire
HR
01/06/2016 17:36
and there are /some/ ideas which can be 'summarised' in art
TA
01/06/2016 17:36
gulliver's travels
HR
01/06/2016 17:36
yep
but satire is down the non-fictional end of the fiction spectrum
TA
01/06/2016 17:36
and also books like catch 22 and infinite jest and crime and punishment and c and c and c
to use the dfw formalism
HR
01/06/2016 17:37
nah
I don't know
TA
01/06/2016 17:38
no dude, this is an obvious point
most books have ideas to express
HR
01/06/2016 17:38
the idea on which literary scholarship is predicated -- that fiction is as valid a /communicative/ medium as plain prose -- is just total BS
TA
01/06/2016 17:38
and very often the form can lend greater power to such ideas
HR
01/06/2016 17:38
that's true
that's true
but this "It's a legitimate method to creatively explore complicated ideas" is just really false
TA
01/06/2016 17:39
this is a truism
very false
if you really mean complicated
HR
01/06/2016 17:39
this is the view I rail against
that you can achieve with fiction the conceptual complexity attainable in plain prose
TA
01/06/2016 17:39
yeah no shit
HR
01/06/2016 17:39
and it does sound insane, but heaps of people seem to believe it
TA
01/06/2016 17:39
you cunt
no one serious believes that
HR
01/06/2016 17:40
that is the foundational belief of contemporary English scholarship
you get a text, you treat it as if it were an essay, you explicate the ideas that author was using the text to convey
TA
01/06/2016 17:40
yes it makes no sense, we're agreed
it's like dissecting a toad when all you need is a sample of skin
(toad skin)
HR
01/06/2016 17:41
vivisection etc
B's a commie
TA
01/06/2016 17:43
anyway, 'idea' is an overly vague word
HR
01/06/2016 17:43
proposition about reality
TA
01/06/2016 17:43
what we are talking about (in fiction) is precisely not propositions
we're talking about 'themes' that can be translated into propositions
or maybe are expressed as propositions in the more heavy-handed moments, through a character's words or thoughts
HR
01/06/2016 17:44
precisely
but the job of literary scholars, apparently, is to extract propositions
TA
01/06/2016 17:44
yes
HR
01/06/2016 17:44
to impute them to the author or to the novel
and provide 'evidence' for the claim that the author thinks P
TA
01/06/2016 17:46
well, i mean, i think basically all of contemporary literary scholarship (at least what we saw) is just, you know, continental philosophy
it's like the books are just conduits for awful philosophy
HR
01/06/2016 17:46
yes
they are very similar disciplines
TA
01/06/2016 17:46
self-referential philosophy about texts
(often)
HR
01/06/2016 17:47
yeah
TA
01/06/2016 17:47
so, i mean, it's just a way of spending your life discussing and producing 'deepities'
to use dennett's coinage
HR
01/06/2016 17:47
yep
as I have said, to try to 'analyse' a text is to reduce it
and emergent qualities are lost in the process of reduction
TA
01/06/2016 17:48
we also agreed on this
HR
01/06/2016 17:48
aesthetic experience, at best, is irreducible and /untranslatable/, even
because the experience /is/ the words used
as in an excellent stanza in a poem, say
TA
01/06/2016 17:49
i know what you mean yes
trying to convey verbally the effect of a poetic couplet is like trying to paint an explanation of the effect of a great painting
why would you do it?
HR
01/06/2016 17:50
yes
and this extends to the 'meaning' of the text
why bother saying: 'Stevens is talking here about death. He thinks that death x and y, and we see this here and here'
TA
01/06/2016 17:51
yes
HR
01/06/2016 17:52
as I said last time we talked about this, the only way to explain HoD to someone, truly, is to just make them read the book
TA
01/06/2016 17:52
well, see, this ties in with what i was saying about english scholars' secret identity as cont. philosophers
they just use authors' names and quotes from various authors' books
throw in various literary terms
to 'analyse' these
but the service of their analysis is always some terrible sophistic thesis about
you know
HR
01/06/2016 17:53
something entirely confected
TA
01/06/2016 17:53
society, reality, constructions of things, the interactions of texts and reality etc
HR
01/06/2016 17:53
with vague peripheral connections to the themes of the work of art
yeah
well, yeah, current scholarship is obsessed with the nature of texts themselves
very reflexive
immensely boring
but, you know, DFW was totally into conty stuff like Derrida
and, as we have mentioned, he seems to have had a really lame idea of what literature is for
he really does seem to treat fictitious texts as essays
TA
01/06/2016 17:56
does that give you seizures? [in reference to a rapidly flashing gif I had sent imprinted with the DFW quote: "Worship your intellect, being seen as smart, you will end up feeling stupid, a fraud, always on the verge of being found out."]
HR
01/06/2016 17:56
the quote gives me seizures
TA
01/06/2016 17:57
every part of it gives me autism and cancer, to use the locutions of young teenage boys on the internet
but clearly he treated fictitious texts as essays because he worshipped his intellect ay
i mean,
like,
HR
01/06/2016 17:58
he definitely did
I recently ranted in my head about DFW while waiting for my toast to pop
TA
01/06/2016 17:58
i personally basically get why one would write the stuff that wallace wrote
HR
01/06/2016 17:58
it seems pretty clear that he was obsessed with being seen as clever
TA
01/06/2016 17:58
like, if it's just what came most naturally to you
obviously it didn't come entirely naturally
HR
01/06/2016 17:58
and in fact was not nearly as clever as many people have been duped into thinking he was
TA
01/06/2016 17:59
but if he wasn't a natural nabokov or joyce or woolf or delillo or gauss
or whatever
then you know
HR
01/06/2016 17:59
yeagh
TA
01/06/2016 17:59
like, it might just be that the kind of fiction he wrote really was the kind of fiction that he most naturally fell into
and he's just lucky that people liked it -- but you can't necessarily hate him for that
HR
01/06/2016 18:00
that's true
but we have evidence that he really cared about being seen as smart
so it isn't impossible that that impulse infected his writing
(I'm thinking of how he lied about getting full marks on his SATs and some other examples  which I have forgotten)
TA
01/06/2016 18:01
yes, true enough
the fact that he didn't want to take a maths course
because it would lower his WAM
HR
01/06/2016 18:01
yeah
TA
01/06/2016 18:02
but, as i've said to you before
i -- and, perforce, many other people -- enjoy the bits in infinite jest where he just goes off on some tangent with lots of fancy words and information about this or that, and i enjoyed (at the time) mister squishy and stories like it
you're being somewhat of a purist or idealist when it comes to your criteria for good art
this has created blindspots
HR
01/06/2016 18:05
maybe
I get Wallace, I still like some of his stuff
I just don't think it's /smart/
or care about smartness
TA
01/06/2016 18:05
provocative