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Thursday, 9 February 2017

An Essay called "Does the Ecological Argument for Vegetarianism/Veganism work at all in Australia? Probably not"

Does the Ecological Argument for Vegetarianism/Veganism work at all in Australia? Probably not

As I've written in a previous post of mine, it is not obvious that one can rationally defend the moral basis for any kind of 'ethical eating' habit, because even if if lots of people adopted your 'ethical eating' habit it would unambiguously be a good thing for your society, or for the world overall, that does not mean that your individual eating habits (your individual purchasing decisions at shops, cafes and restaurants, more precisely) are making any difference at all (http://writingsoftclaitken.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/a-short-essay-called-how-necessary.html). This is basically the same idea that motivates many to the conclusion that voting is irrational (in terms of self-interested rationality): tiny actions in giant societies are meaningless and inconsequential. 
In that previous essay, I did ultimately come to the conclusion that you could rationally defend the moral basis of a lifestyle of ethical-eating plus activism for the cause, because that way you would have a chance of actually having a nontrivial impact upon the world. But in this essay, I will argue that there is probably no way at all of rationally defending the moral basis of vegetarianism/veganism (even with activism) if you are an Australian, because it is not clear at all that lots of Australians becoming vegetarians or vegans would be a good thing for the precious ecology of our magnificent, megadiverse continent.
When I wrote that old essay, I thought that it was pretty obviously true that lots of people becoming vegetarians and vegans now would be a good thing ecologically, because, as we all know, livestock is so inefficient, often highly destructive to ecosystems, the cattle industry is responsible for a surprisingly large proportion of the world’s carbon emissions (and cows produce a lot of methane too), and our oceans are, without exception, totally fucked – desertified, decimated – so eating pretty much any kind of non-farmed fish is effectively promoting a maritime holocaust. More precisely: corn-fed cows consume a huge amount of food that could be set aside for humans, potentially lifting hundreds of thousands from poverty; overgrazing of cattle can lead to soil erosion and fuck up entire ecosystems, leading sometimes to disaster [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overgrazing]; according to a well-known 2013 study by the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the UN [http://www.fao.org/3/i3437e.pdf], the livestock sector overall produces roughly “14.5 percent of human-induced GHG emissions”; and overfishing is bad m’kay [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overfishing].
The only problem is that this is a global snapshot of the ecological impact of carnivorism, and I live in Australia, and eat (I believe) primarily Australian fruit, vegetables and grains. Australia is not the world. The following are the unique ecological features of Australia relevant to the question of eating habits: it is the world’s driest continent (apart from Antarctica); it it has very little fresh water and one major, highly vulnerable, massively overpolluted and mistreated river system, the Murray-Darling; it has the lowest soil fertility of any continent (due to a deadly combination of the ancientness of the continent, the lack of geological activity and the long-ago extinction of the megafauna (absence of fertilisation and soil turn-over)), with only a small layer of arable top soil in the best areas; the ENSO cycle means that most of Australia is subject to a highly volatile climate, with drought always lurking around the corner; sheep in Australia can be grazed on semi-desert areas, surviving off saltbush; we have the least fertile oceans in the world; and we have tens of millions of feral animals – rabbits (everywhere), cats (everywhere), goats (everywhere), pigs (most National Parks in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria) , water buffalo (mainly in NT), camels (all throughout the desert), brumbies (in the Snowy Mountains) and wild deer (in Royal National Park and the Snowy Mountains) – damaging, churning up, polluting and forever altering highly precious native ecosystems all over the country, as well as competing with our various unique marsupial species.
Because of these unique features of the ecology of Australia, I conclude the following:
·         An ecologically concerned Australian would ideally avoid eating any crops which require heavy irrigation (and be an activist about this).
·         An ecologically concerned Australian should be open to eating feral rabbits, cats, goats, pigs, water buffalo, camels and brumbies, and should think of this as an ethical decision (and be an activist about this).
·         An ecologically concerned Australian should ideally not be a vegetarian or vegan (and should tell vegetarians or vegans that they should not be either).

I am still a vegetarian, but I wonder if I should be. If cats, goats, pigs, water buffalo, camels, wild deer and brumbies[1] were sold at the supermarket, I would probably eat them.




[1] I am aware of some people who think that the presence of brumbies in the Snowies might have desirable ecological effects. I don’t know enough to have an opinion on this.

Saturday, 13 August 2016

Another thought on ethics of eating animals

I made a mistake: Average Happiness versus Aggregate Happiness w/r/t the Lives of Cows: 

The following was a footnote in the previous essay I published on this blog:

"My own view is that the ecological arguments are far more clear-cut, and far easier to sustain, than the arguments from animal suffering. Do cows living a relatively happy, quite social and interactive life on large paddocks or vast saltbush plains have lives of “negative utility”, just because they get slaughtered at the end? That seems to me absurd. And if you agree that such cattle don’t lead lives of negative utility, then reducing the amount of such cattle in the world means reducing the amount of utility in the world (unless the environments vacated create room and resources for far more new creatures, with more capacity for utility than the cattle – but that’s very uncertain and distant). (One could reasonably argue that chickens in battery farms do have lives of “negative utility”, of course.)
Now, you could try to make the animal welfare case without utilitarianism – you could just say “It’s wrong to kill another innocent, sentient creature no matter what”. The problem is that most people don’t have that intuition, which is why most/all vegetarian/vegan moral philosophers argue from utilitarianism (the moral system that ignores every one of our intuitions except the intuition that morality is about pleasure and pains (or preferences))."

A few days ago, when I wrote this first paragraph about the lives of cows and the consequences of reducing their numbers, I was thinking about "utility" purely in additive terms, ignoring "average utility" completely. This was a mistake: no utilitarian can possibly think only in terms of either average or aggregate utility, since both, famously, lead to morally repugnant conclusions. If you care only about average utility, any scenario in which mass slaughter or species extinction leads to more resources and opportunities for the organisms left alive would seem justified; if you care only about aggregate utility, it would seem justified to massively increase the population of the planet, as long as the extra lives you create are just worth living (and you might want humans to leave absolutely no space for other species, because of the Millian belief that "It's better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied" (an intelligent, self-aware creature, capable of reflection, has more capacity for utility, broadly understood)). As a result of these truths, it is necessary for any thoughtful utilitarian to strike some sort of balance between their valuation of average and aggregate utility.
Anyhow, what I realised is that it was unfair to think about the argument from animal suffering in terms of aggregate utility. Indeed, it has occurred to me that the argument from animal suffering looks in much better shape if you think of the issue of the lives of cows purely in terms of average utility. Consider the issue this way: if we abolished the entire cattle industry, would that increase the average utility of the lives of cows (with the only cows left being wild cows, roaming free)? I think most vegetarians and vegans think that it would. It does seem the more reasonable conclusion to draw, since a free cow has unlimited territory to roam and will not get slaughtered after a few years (though it might, depending on its geographic location, be preyed upon by other creatures).
Of course, another question might be whether abolishing the cattle industry would increase the average utility of all organisms on the planet. However, this question is too hard. Given the ecological and environmental impact of the cattle industry, the right answer may well be "yes", but it's impossible to know.
So that's all there is to say really: you probably can sustain the argument from animal suffering against eating beef if you think that what matters is average utility rather than aggregate utility.

Friday, 5 August 2016

A complicated essay called "How the Necessary Negligibility of Individual Consumption Decisions and the Collective Action Problems of our Complex World Imperil the Attempt to Make One's Eating Habits Fully Rational; and Why, Partly as a Consequence of This, You Should Ideally be a Fully Committed, Activist Vegetarian or Vegan, Not a Mere “Ethical Eater” (or “Flim-flam-tarian”)"

How the Necessary Negligibility of Individual Consumption Decisions and the Collective Action Problems of our Complex World Imperil the Attempt to Make One's Eating Habits Fully Rational; and Why, Partly as a Consequence of This, You Should Ideally be a Fully Committed, Activist Vegetarian or Vegan, Not a Mere “Ethical Eater” (or “Flim-flam-tarian”)

I recently became a "vegetarian". Roughly speaking, I don't eat any meat. Definitely speaking, I haven't eaten any meat for several weeks, and I have only consumed small quantities of meat on a few occasions in the two or three months before that. Definitely speaking, I am planning never to eat any meat again (and I am fairly confident that I will be able to do this, since this self-denial jibes well with my Stoical life philosophy). The reason that I consumed small quantities of meat several times after my decision to call myself a vegetarian (and commit to vegetarianism) is not moral weakness or turpitude; instead, it is that, with some reason, I believed that it was "rational" to do so in the particular contexts in which the meat option was available to me. I have now decided that the idea of rationality on which these decisions were based was, in an important sense, silly. This essay is in large part an attempt to explain why I think this (though, first, I have to explain what I'm actually talking about).

The contexts in which I ‘resiled’ from my vegetarian commitments were all contexts in which the meat products had already been purchased by my parents (or, in the first case, me buying Indian takeaway for the household), and prepared either by one of my parents or a chef in a restaurant/cafe. It was because the meat had already been purchased and prepared that I had decided, on each of these occasions (one of which took place at a cafe, when my dad had a bit of leftover bacon on his plate), that it was completely morally permissible for me to eat the meat product in question.[1] In the case of the Indian takeaway, I had realised that I had bought too much meat (not helped by the fact that one of the vegetarian curries I had ordered turned up with chunks of meat in it), and that if I didn’t eat some of it myself, it would just go to waste. How, I thought, could that be at all immoral?
I have come across the arguments of several utilitarian ‘ethical eaters’ along just these lines: that this kind of attitude towards purchased and prepared meat is completely morally permissible, because it is a simple matter of rationality to see that you literally can’t make any difference to the meat industry by eating meat of this kind. It seems obvious: if eating meat in such a situation could not possibly have an effect on the meat industry in any way, and you enjoy the taste of meat, it makes no sense not to have some.
A bit over a month ago, I realised that this line of argument is somewhat problematic and naïve. The biggest flaw, I think, is that it ignores two related problems: the necessary negligibility of individual consumption decisions and the collective action problems of our complex world (both well-known problems for individual utility calculations in general). On the basis of these problems, as well as some other considerations, I ultimately believe that it actually makes slightly more sense – is more rational, if you like – to be fully committed to vegetarianism/veganism, no matter the context where meat is available. Here follows my (rather complicated and long) argument.

As an individual vegetarian or vegan, your eating habits can, at best, have a trivial or tiny effect on the world.[2] The dent an individual vegetarian or vegan makes in the meat industry, even over the course of many years or decades refusing to buy meat products, will be necessarily trivial. The dent an individual vegetarian or vegan makes in the meat industry in a single act of refusing meat will be necessarily negligible. Moreover, because of the difficulty of solving collective action problems in the incredibly complex societies in which we live, it is often the case that individual consumption decisions that appear more ‘altruistic’ are actually negligibly bad for overall utility, rather than negligibly good.
Indeed, it's more profound than that: when you’re one person in a big, complex society, surrounded by thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of other agents, and you weigh up whether to be selfish or to be altruistic in a given situation, the utilitarian calculus typically (I believe) suggests that the selfish option is either no worse than the supposedly altruistic option, or better. Why? Because, your own seemingly ‘altruistic’ decisions in life – your decision to vote in the election for this good candidate over that bad candidate, your decision to purchase this ethically produced shirt or brand of coffee over the ones made from exploited labour, your decision to attend a climate-change protest rather than stay at home – are simultaneously: 1.) almost totally inconsequential, and 2.) plagued by collective-action dilemmas. In fact, in most of the cases one readily thinks of, it seems likely that the selfish option, taken strictly on its own, will produce fractionally more utility overall (because it’s less demanding for you and/or more immediately gratifying for you and/or is the better decision for other people unless huge numbers of people start co-ordinating in making the ‘altruistic’ decision).
To make this claim (or set of claims) concrete, let’s take an example directly related to ethical eating: the scenario of choosing between meat and vegetarian dishes at a restaurant. Let’s say you’re at a fairly good restaurant, and, between the choice of some kind of salad or a delicious, rich, flavoursome meat dish, you take the latter (we can suppose that salads are the only vegetarian option the restaurant has on the menu). What will be the result? Assuming you are not racked by guilt, eating the tasty meat dish will produce more utility for you, because it will be more satisfying and tasty than the gustatorily austere salad (and you won’t risk being mocked for your “self-righteousness” (as is common for vegetarians and vegans)). Moreover, the decision to take the meat dish will also likely produce slightly more utility for the people around you, because you will probably generate slightly more group cohesion (a pathetically large number of meat-eaters become irritable or uncomfortable around vegetarians and vegans). And even if a decision to take the meat dish doesn’t have these (admittedly, relatively trivial) positive effects, that definitely won’t make the decision to choose the vegetarian dish more morally rational according to a utilitarian calculus. After all, the amount of meat a restaurant chooses to order every week (or day, or fortnight, or whatever) isn’t going to be affected by one choice made by one person on one night (in the best case scenario, your decision will be the tipping point for a nontrivial reduction in the restaurant’s meat orders – but that’s very improbable in any case).[3] So it turns out that, in this perfectly standard scenario – which isn’t one of the scenarios that utilitarians typically regard as an exception (a situation where the meat has already been purchased and prepared) – it is most reasonable to believe that the utilitarian calculus is either indeterminate between the two options, or (more probably) in favour of the latter.
One can actually think of even more disconcerting examples than this. Take the decision (not directly related to ethical eating) between purchasing a garment made from exploited labour in the Third World, and purchasing a more expensive garment made from non-exploited labour in the First World.[4] Now, it’s obviously true that if a massive number of people boycott products made from exploited labour (and do it consistently, across multiple companies), then that will put immense pressure on the culpable corporations to improve labour conditions: the extra money the companies have to spend on paying workers and improving facilities will be outweighed by a return to higher profits once they inform their customers know that the exploitation has reduced.[5] But if you consider the case of one person having to make a decision between two garments in a shop, the morally rational decision seems to be reversed (again, both decisions are negligible, but in this case, the seemingly selfish decision seems almost certainly the fractionally better one for the world).
Imagine a young woman who has the choice between buying an expensive t-shirt produced by a major brand from a Western country, and a much cheaper t-shirt made from exploited, sweatshop labour in Sri Lanka. Since she reasons along standard utilitarian lines, she ends up thinking that buying the second one would be immoral because she would be ‘condoning exploitation’ of poor, powerless Sri Lankan peasants working in infernal conditions. She decides instead that she better just bite the bullet, and she nobly forks out the extra money necessary to buy the shirt produced by non-exploited labour.
This sounds like sound reasoning, but it’s actually quite dodgy. The reason is that, if she buys the cheaper shirt made from exploited Sri Lankan labour, she will both reduce the financial burden on herself, and (in an admittedly very small way) be partly supporting the poor Sri Lankan labourers – even if she’s mainly supporting the multinational corporation who exploits these people. By contrast, if she buys the expensive designer shirt, she will be placing a large financial burden on herself, and (in an admittedly very small way) be partly supporting workers who probably have stable incomes and good job security, and mainly supporting the multinational corporation that employs these people. And which one, of those two decisions, is the (fractionally) more morally rational decision for this individual person to take? I reckon it’s almost certainly the former. Unless things radically change for them, the exploited Sri Lankan sweatshop workers would want people to buy the products they make; below a certain threshold, boycotts will be straightforwardly bad for them, because they will result in reduced profits for the company for which they work, and certainly won’t improve their working conditions (indeed, reduced profits will likely lead to worse working conditions, worse wages, or dismissals). And yes, it is true that the boycotts can’t get sufficiently big and powerful to force changes in the conditions of exploited labourers unless individual people decide to make boycotting decisions – but that still doesn’t make the individual decision morally rational.

Some might regard this line of argument as condoning moral nihilism about decisions where the problem of individual-decision-negligibility and/or the problems of collective action rear their ugly heads (as opposed to decisions about whether or not to rob, beat or murder someone, which will obviously have a direct, nontrivial impact on another human). Of course, there’s a strong tradition in moral philosophy of arguing that myopic self-interest is simply more rational in general than open co-operativeness (even if it is not more moral), because just focussing on your own desires is liable to produce more utility for you (and perhaps your family)[6] directly, and raise you above other people permanently, even if collective community co-operation on a given problem (say, preserving the environmental health of an eco-system) will, in the long-run, leave everyone better off (= Hobbes’ dilemma in “state of nature” = The Tragedy of the Commons = (most generally) a Prisoner’s Dilemma).  Given all this, you might be tempted to simply throw your hands in the air and say, “What’s the point of being a vegetarian at all? If I can’t actually have any relevantly good effect on the world, and I enjoy the taste of meat, I should eat meat!”
One possible reply to this kind of nihilism is put forward by the most original and unusual moral philosopher alive today, Derek Parfit. Fairly early on in his 1984 masterwork of moral reasoning, Reasons and Persons (not actually a book I would highly recommend), Derek Parfit imagines a scenario involving a large number of men dying of thirst in the desert, in an attempt to show that one can be rationally required to carry out actions that have imperceptibly positive effects (and by this, he hopes to refute the “Argument from Inconsequentialism”). The outline of the thought experiment is as follows: you have just encountered this mass of desperately thirsty men in the middle of the searing desert, and you have a choice either to add all of your waterbottle to a trough of water that’s being filled for them to drink, or some other amount (including none of it). After a lot of painstaking deliberation and meticulous tinkering with details (as is Parfit’s signature), Parfit ends up claiming that, even if the result of adding all of the water is indiscernible from any other choice to the men (because it only adds, say, one drop to the amount each man gets to drink), this action is still morally/rationally required (for Parfit, morality and rationality are strongly interwoven).
But, of course, even if, after reviewing his argument, you think that Parfit is “correct” on this (and you will only really believe that strongly if you share his meta-ethical assumptions), this kind of scenario is too simple to apply to most real-world situations. I already argued that there are many common situations where either it’s completely unclear which action would produce the infinitesimally better overall utility, or the apparently selfish action would seem to be the one with the infinitesimally better overall utility, considered strictly on its own.
Fortunately, there is another, less academic reply to this kind of largeness-and-complexity-of-world-based moral nihilism. It goes as follows: But don’t you vote?
A single vote among millions of others is necessarily negligible, and is possibly completely inconsequential, no matter the electoral system in place (Majority rule, Plurality or “Instant run-off”). But if this is the case, why would you vote? Obviously, some people think the answer to that question is, “There is no answer and you shouldn’t vote” – but the vast majority of people do not think that. So is it rational to vote? Well, in a very important sense, yes – and that brings us to the last, most intricate phase of my argument.

As I suggested many paragraphs ago, I believe that, if you are convinced of the moral imperative either to reduce animal suffering or to reduce ecological damage and carbon emissions caused by the meat industry (or both),[7] you should be a fully committed vegetarian or vegan, not a superficially ‘rational’ flim-flam person. Despite how it may seem, I really don’t think it does become perfectly morally rational to eat meat on occasions when it’s already been purchased and prepared. In my view, being a vegetarian or vegan should, ideally, be more than just a lifestyle choice; it should be a form of activism (fortunately, I will soon argue for this). If you’re an ethical eater purely on the basis of utilitarian arguments that ignore the problems of individual-action-negligibility and collective action (i.e. bad utilitarian arguments), then you might think it rational just to be some kind of quiet, humble “ethical eater” (or, as ethical eaters shall be henceforth known, a “flim-flam-tarian”). But I think that this is both a shirking of moral duty, and just a bad idea on logical grounds – one that is quite likely to guarantee that you won’t have any positive effect on the world.  There are three reasons why.
The first, and most quotidian, reason why being a flim-flam-tarian is bad is this:
If you often accept leftover meat products and leftover cooked meat made by your housemates, partner or parents (whoever you live with), you will most likely encourage these people to keep buying slightly excessive quantities of food, in the knowledge that the leftovers will certainly be eaten. Of course, you could sternly tell the food purchasers and preparers that they should only purchase meat for themselves, but it would be far less likely to cause trouble and confusion if you just never ate meat at all.
The second reason why being a flim-flam-tarian is a bad idea is that it is surely psychologically far easier for you, as an ethical eater, to completely avoid a given category of ‘bad’ food, rather than psychologically complicate things by sporadically eating this category of food when the circumstances (morally) permit.  While this kind of consideration may seem to give too little credit to human frontal lobes, it’s certainly true that by sporadically eating meat, one sporadically reminds oneself of the taste of meat (the thing one is missing out on whenever there isn’t leftover purchased and prepared meat). Moreover, the value of “purity” is an important element of our moral faculty, and there’s manifestly something much more rewarding and enriching about feeling like one has a strong, clear, pure ethical commitment, as opposed to a muddy, ambiguous one. And though I don’t have any hard evidence of this (it’s too obscure a phenomenon to have been studied), it seems to me that someone who still permits herself to eat meat when she deems it “rational” is significantly more likely to lapse into non-ethical eating than someone who has completely renounced meat. It’s certainly true that, to be a really successful vegetarian or vegan, it is of big assistance to make meat a taboo.
The last and most important reason why you shouldn’t be a flim-flam-tarian – why you should be a fully committed, activist vegetarian or vegan instead – is that a quiet, humble “ethical eater” is obviously going to have much less of an impact upon the world than someone who is strongly and passionately committed to a noble, self-denying, ascetic life choice, which everyone can understand and many will seek to emulate (as long as you’re not too sanctimonious about displaying and discussing this noble life). As I argued several pages back, a single person’s ethical consumption habits, even if they are a strict vegan, are going to be trivial in the grand scheme of things (this was the fundamental basis for the apparently nihilistic argument I spent so long laying out). But even though I suggested, using the example of voting, that this problem of individual-action-negligibility may not be quite as straightforwardly tragic as it seems (and I’ll get to that), it’s certainly the case that there is one way a vegetarian or vegan can guarantee that they will have a nontrivial effect on the world: convincing other people to join them in their moral commitment. If you’re a quiet, semi-vegetarian or semi-vegan, you are probably not performing your activist role at all. Even leaving aside the “quiet” part (you might be a flim-flam-tarian who does engage in some non-sanctimonious proselytising for flim-flam-tarianism), it is, as I suggested, much more morally noble and admirable to seem pure, self-denying and monastic (/ascetic) than to just be some guy who mostly doesn’t eat meat (and sometimes does). On a more basic level, it’s obviously easier to spread a simple, straightforward moral dogma (“don’t eat meat”/ “don’t eat animal products”) than some subtle version of ethical eating, whose occasional meat-eating permissions most won’t understand.

At this point, I imagine that a reader might be slightly confused by the structure of the overall argument, even if they have been agreeing with many or all of the sub-arguments I’ve been making along the way. There is something rather confusing about what I’ve done: I first used the problem of the necessary negligibility of individual consumption decisions and the problems of collective action in a big, complex society to argue that it is silly to even try to work out the ‘rationality’ of eating meat on each individual occasion it is available, but then I suggested that maybe the necessary negligibility of individual consumption decisions and the problems of collective action aren't huge problems for rationality after all (suggesting that voting is still rational even if the individual vote is negligible), and then I started arguing that being a fully committed, activist vegetarian or vegan is almost certainly decisively better in terms of utility-maximisation (and for other reasons) than being a quiet, humble flim-flam-tarian. Aren’t these three strands kind of in conflict?
In order to respond to this question, I should begin by trying to explain why I said voting could still be rational, even if there was a guarantee of negligibility for your individual ballot paper. The answer in that case is that we overcome moral nihilism simply by recognising that we have a moral duty to vote. It is a Kantian circumvention: we cognise that if a nihilistic psychology were to spread widely, it would be extremely costly, and we follow the categorical imperative to carry out the action whose universal repudiation would result in such a disaster. Does the fact that our motivation is not rationally grounded according to utilitarian considerations make voting irrational? No, not at all; according to the way I understand rationality of behaviour (probably a pretty commonsense conception), it would still fit well within the bounds (a Kantian person is a perfectly rational person).
I think the way we non-irrationally avoid moral nihilism about vegetarianism and veganism is very similar: we think to ourselves, ‘If I stop eating meat, that will have a negligible impact on the world, but I know that other people might have that thought also, and it would be a disaster if everyone took this consideration too seriously, so I won’t take it too seriously’. Unlike the case of voting, however, one can definitely use utilitarian considerations to defend a general vegetarian or vegan lifestyle, even if using utilitarian considerations to justify a particular decision to refuse meat is pretty difficult.  I say this because we can be pretty confident that spending several years refusing to eat any meat products does have a supernegligible (albeit still trivial) and clearly positive impact on the world.
And, of course, having a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle which also involves a degree of activism – an attempt to convert other people to the noble, moral cause – may even allow you to raise your overall positive impact on the world above the trivial.

Anyhow, to finish up, it should now be clear that the necessary negligibility of individual consumption decisions and the collective action problems of our complex world do indeed imperil the attempt to make one's eating habits fully rational; and that, partly as a consequence of this, you should ideally be a fully committed, activist vegetarian or vegan, not a mere “ethical eater” (or “Flim-flam-tarian”).






[1] If the meat had only been purchased and not prepared, it would not be fully morally permissible to eat it, I figured, because that would potentially accelerate new meat purchases (and, obviously, the aim of ethical eating is to reduce meat production by reducing demand).
[2] Clearly, if you’re also a vegetarian or vegan activist, you may be able to have a slightly greater effect on the world – but we’ll get to that much later
[3] Even if your rejection of the meat dish is the tipping point for a reduction in the restaurant’s meat orders, one restaurant’s choice to reduce their meat orders from a given butcher won’t necessarily cause that butcher to order less meat from the farmer, and even if it does have that effect, one butcher’s decision to order less meat from the farmer won’t necessarily cause him to buy fewer new calves (or slow down breeding or whatever)… So the effect is negligible.  
[4] I use the old, less PC terms “First World” and “Third World” because I think “developing world” is actually a harmful euphemism for countries that have been wrecked by neoliberal financial imperialism and utterly hypocritical market fundamentalism. Third World conveys fucked up poverty, and should therefore, in my view, be the word favoured by the Left (many ‘liberal’ PC terms are actually insidiously euphemistic).
[5] The scenario is, of course, very complex, because if there was enough consumer pressure being applied to major clothing manufacturers to improve labour conditions, it may encourage these corporations to go so far as to return to (pre-neoliberal-globalisation norm of) domestic, First World manufacturing. That would cause major disruption to the economies of East Asia, and probably result in a big jump in poverty, even if it would ultimately be better for such economies in the long run to be self-sufficient (economic globalisation favours Western, particularly US elites, as Stiglitz argues in his famous work, Globalisation and its Discontents, and as Chomsky has been saying forever).
[6] The reason I say “family” is that the literal, original “Tragedy of the Commons” is a scenario where the interests of individual farmers and their families conflict with those of the community as a whole.
[7] My own view is that the ecological arguments are far more clear-cut, and far easier to sustain, than the arguments from animal suffering. Do cows living a relatively happy, quite social and interactive life on large paddocks or vast saltbush plains have lives of “negative utility”, just because they get slaughtered at the end? That seems to me absurd. And if you agree that such cattle don’t lead lives of negative utility, then reducing the amount of such cattle in the world means reducing the amount of utility in the world (unless the environments vacated create room and resources for far more new creatures, with more capacity for utility than the cattle – but that’s very uncertain and distant). (One could reasonably argue that chickens in battery farms do have lives of “negative utility”, of course.)
Now, you could try to make the animal welfare case without utilitarianism – you could just say “It’s wrong to kill another innocent, sentient creature no matter what”. The problem is that most people don’t have that intuition, which is why most/all vegetarian/vegan moral philosophers argue from utilitarianism (the moral system that ignores every one of our intuitions except the intuition that morality is about pleasure and pains (or preferences)).     

Monday, 16 May 2016

A Debate about Ethical Eating

A Debate about Ethical Eating

In a few paragraphs’ time, I shall post some extracts from the debate that took place in the comments section below this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaMbU8vVLOI) of a discussion on “the philosophy of ethical eating” between the excellent Massimo Pigliucci (an evolutionary biologist turned philosopher of science and professional Stoic) and Daniel Kaufman (a philosophy professor at Missouri State University). Overall, I found the video quite stimulating, like most of their previous discussions, and I would recommend watching it.[1]
There are two reasons why I am posting the extracts: 
1.)    I think they capture the crux of the debate around ethical eating.
2.)    As you will see, last night I did something rather outrageous in the major thread below the video, accusing one of the participants in the video (Dan Kaufman) of having views akin to a 19th Century patriarch. As you will also see, I then got a reply from Kaufman himself, only hours later. *GASP*
Since this skirmish is already in the public domain, I hope my interlocutors won’t mind having their words reproduced here, along with their Youtube thumbnails and usernames.
However, as the son of two lawyers, I will say that if either of my interlocutors happen to stumble upon this blog and do not approve of this reproduction, I will immediately take this post down.
So, anyway, here are the extracts:

My First Comment:
Wish you talked more about ecology, environmental degradation, population ethics and the planet. Early in the video, Massimo Pigliucci made a brief comment about the environmental component of vegetarianism and veganism, but the line of thought was not pursued. It seems to me that, on a planet already polluted, plundered, scarred, defoliated and ravaged by human activity, whose climate is being thrust into ever greater flux by the terrifying juggernaut of accelerating climate change (in this possibly late stage of the Anthropocene), any act or way of living that would significantly reduce one's carbon and environmental footprint has truly supreme ethical value. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that significantly reducing one's environmental impact has a level of ethical value unrivalled by basically any other kind of virtuous behaviour. If the future of civilisation and the human race are at stake -- and they undoubtedly are to some degree, because the population can't keep growing indefinitely (under our current global economic system) and there are /already/ millions starving (as Peter Singer would point out) -- then one's environmental impact means everything. (Incidentally, this is the same logic that supposedly motivates that cyborg Nick Bostrom, who genuinely thinks his warnings about AI might be the salvation of humanity.)
I put it to you that even according to a loose virtue ethics framework, the goal of reducing one's carbon and environmental footprint should be a basic requirement -- i.e. a basic mark of good character. In fact, significantly reducing one's carbon and environmental footprint should be regarded as a kind of virtuous behaviour roughly equivalent to, say, volunteering in the community, or mentoring a promising student out of uni-hours.
If you accept this logic, the only questions remaining are the following: 1.) Does switching from a standard Western omnivorous diet to a vegetarian or vegan diet actually end up significantly reducing one's carbon and general environmental footprint? 2.) How does this aggregate over multiple agents?
I am no expert on these questions -- but that's exactly why I was hoping for a serious discussion.
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(And notice that I argued this from within the virtue ethics framework, which makes it harder.)
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I have since watched Cowspiracy, and am now very confident that this speculation was spot-on. I think the ecological arguments for switching to a vegan diet are overwhelming.

The Main Thread:
At about the 10:00 frame, Massimo's interlocutor begins to castigate vegans. That mystified me. I have been a vegan who very infrequently eats a vegetarian diet when I travel, and I cannot fathom his insistence that there is no moral difference between choosing not to kill and eat animals and choosing to be a carnivore. That position is morally dubious to say the least. Just for the record, it is easy to prepare and eat a vegan diet. It simply means that you make your meals from whole foods and think about how to make them nutritious. After a brief initiation phase, it honestly becomes simple second nature.

Also, Massimo's citing the mistaken idea that the cultivation of non-meat crops would mean that more land would have to be placed under cultivation (if the global diet were more predominantly vegan) is quite simply mistaken, and it is often simply propaganda propagated by the meat production industry.

As for the Massimo's presentation of Peter Singer's dilemma at about frame 26:00, WHY does he postulate leather shoes? It is easy to buy comfortable non-leather shoes. Why should we gauge our self-esteem by whether we are wearing designer labels on our feet feet?

Vegan choices are easy to make. They do not make one miserable, as Massimo contends at about frame 29:00. In fact, as an added bonus, vegan choices can make your life richer, more creative and more FUN! For example, I love creating a vegan dinner party. The carnivores almost always rave about how good the food is. That makes me happy. Like much of life, making vegan choices does not necessarily result in being humorless and puritanical.

Eudomonic happiness is completely harmonious with veganism and also with epicurean happiness btw ;)
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+Aravis Tarkheena I certainly do not feel I dishonest in my characterization of your comments. "Castigating" seems appropriate when you characterize vegans in the negative ways you did within the video. In response to your assertion that "Vegan choices may not make you miserable, but they would make me miserable," I would be curious to know how long you attempted to eat in a vegan diet. In my experience vegan cuisine is healthful, easy to prepare, and economical, and I would be curious to know why your experience is so negative.
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You said at 10:00 I "castigated" vegans. 'Castigate' means "reprimand someone severely." I did no such thing. Neither at 10.00 or at any other point of the discussion.

As for your question, I am a lover of great world cuisine. I would be miserable to never eat sushi again. Never eat shwarma again. Never eat lamb vindaloo again. Never eat schnitzel again. Never eat lobster again. Never eat great charcuterie. These are some of the great pleasures in life. I would no more give up eating meat than I would going to the Louvre or the Metropolitan Opera.
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+Aravis Tarkheena I don't have the time to watch the video again, so I'm not going to post the exact frames, but anyone who watches the video will clearly see that you often portray vegans in a negative light in the video. For starters, you say point blank at about frame 8:00 that you didn't admire vegans. If you don't like the word "castigate" feel free to substitute the synonyms"censure," "criticize," or "upbraid," all of which would serve the purpose equally well.

You did not chose to comment on whether or not you have seriously tried a vegan diet. And as for your food choices, I have no intention of moralizing or trying to tell you what your food choices should be. What I'm saying is that veganism is not an ascetic, labor intensive choice. After the initial learning curve, preparing a vegan diet can enhance the flourishing and the eudemonic effect on one's existence. However, if you feel you must eat shwarma, lamb vindaloo, and lobster in order to have personal contentment, then you will disagree with me. I am not a deontologist, so I'm not going to preach to you about your food choices. It would be futile for me to do so anyway.
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+2b Sirius I never once made any hostile or otherwise harsh remarks about vegans, which is what "castigate" and its "synonyms" mean. I simply explanied why I do not believe that the sort of diet they embrace is obligatory. The discussion was academic and cordial. Fortunately, anyone who wants to know what I actually said -- as opposed to your mischaracterization -- can see it him or herself.

Since I do not believe veganism is obligatory, I see no reason to take on the "learning curve" you describe. Just as I wouldn't see how long I can go without setting foot in the Metropolitan Museum of Art or the Avery Fisher Music Hall, I am not going to see how long I can get along without the cuisine I grew up with and love (like my grandmother's Paprikas Csirke recipe).
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+Aravis Tarkheena Sorry but your were both hostile and dismissive of vegans and veganism. But I do agree that viewers of the video can watch your characterizations and draw their own conclusions. As for your defensiveness about being unwilling to explore veganism for yourself, no one is twisting your arm and trying to make you do so. However, if you think that eating veal and going to the MoMA are moral equivalents I would love to see a forensic analysis of the ethics which allow you to make such claims.
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+2b Sirius Worth nothing that patriarchs were very attached to tradition of women as nurturing, feminine domestic mannequins before the two major Women's Lib movements. Might they have tried to defend this beautiful tradition within some loose Aristotelian virtue ethics framework? Very possibly -- in fact, I think that's what some of them did (Janet Radcliffe Richards has made this kind of point when talking about the concept of "the natural" in relation to feminism).
You can be amoral about animal welfare and the future of the planet if you want, but I strongly suspect the kind of apologia voiced in this video will look very bad in a couple of decades -- like, seriously bad. Like, repugnant. Just as we do when we reflect on the progress of women, we may well wonder, "How were so many of us so selfish and cruel on this matter". And we will bow our heads in shame. As I do myself, knowing that my own commitments are weak.
As for Singer being a hypocrite, well, at least he's doing his best. At least he is preaching something that is worth preaching, even if he doesn't quite live up to his ideal. I admire him for that far more than I admire the non-hypocrisy of someone who defends indifference to animal welfare and the future of the planet on the basis of the aesthetic value of meat in their lives. (Again, wasn't there a certain aesthetic value in the traditional role for women, those dainty, elegant, bedizened women in their kidney-crushing corsets who pouted and fanned themselves and curtseyed for strong, handsome men with mutton chops? Didn't the moral value of equality and liberty and self-determination and a shared humanity outweigh this aesthetic value? Might it in this case too?)
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You can be amoral about animal welfare and the future of the planet if you want, but I strongly suspect the kind of apologia voiced in this video will look very bad in a couple of decades -- like, seriously bad. Like, repugnant. ---------------------------------- Right. All the great chefs of the world will come to be viewed as serial killers, and the Michelin Star will be known as a badge of infamy. Charcuteries will be shut down by righteous mobs, and the shwarma hawkers in the souk will be chased down as the villains they are. I think, I'll be just fine. Thanks. And I'll put up my good works against yours any day of the week. It's easy to be righteous on the internet.
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+Thomas Aitken I think it is very possible that in the future the facile social justifications for eating the flesh of dead animal will come to be seen in a very negative light. After all in the past slavery and cannibalism were condoned as cultural norms, as was the complete subjugation of women, as you pointed out in your comment.
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I did sound awfully righteous, I will admit, but I also said that I myself felt “shame”. As for his mocking point about chefs and butchers, I think he’s not entirely missing the mark, but I really don’t think he should be so smug. The stats quite strongly suggest that vegetarianism will continue to grow in popularity over the next few decades (see the graphs in The Better Angels of our Nature) and it wouldn’t surprise me if people who were still highly recalcitrant and defensive during this period (resorting, for example, to “aesthetic” arguments to defend their carnivorous eating habits) will be seen as selfish and barbaric in a couple of decades’ time. It wouldn’t surprise me at all, in fact. And I really don’t think the analogy with feminism is that misguided either. Yes, it may seem absurd, but it also would have seemed absurd in the 19th Century to accuse a patriarch of acting in a morally repugnant way, or to tell a woman of that time that she was being oppressed from the womb to the grave.
If that sounds melodramatic (and it does), so be it. 



[1] One interesting thing about their discussion is that they both mount their cases from the point of view of old-fashioned “virtue ethics”. This has the consequence that they obviate entirely the usual, utilitarian arguments of vegetarians, and talk little about animal welfare (no mention of Jeremy Bentham or his famous epigram). My own feeling is that this is a weakness of their discussion: I think that one sort of has to assume a more utilitarian framework when wading into debates about vegetarianism and veganism (but that is not a point I will argue).